Evidence of NO EVIDENCE

in #philosophy5 years ago (edited)

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Since you've claimed a statement to be true (i.e. therefore, there's no evidence for a particular God's existence) you must substantiate all of your premises,

(EITHER) there is no logically coherent evidence that exclusively supports the existence of a particular god (OR) there is logically coherent evidence that exclusively supports the existence of a particular god.

(IFF) there is logically coherent evidence that exclusively supports the existence of a particular god (THEN) it is (EITHER) undiscovered (OR) lost (OR) secret.

(IFF) logically coherent evidence that exclusively supports the existence of a particular god is (EITHER) undiscovered (OR) lost (OR) secret (THEN) it is indistinguishable from NO LOGICALLY COHERENT EVIDENCE THAT EXCLUSIVELY SUPPORTS THE EXISTENCE OF A PARTICULAR GOD.

An undiscovered, lost, or secret proof is functionally identical to NO PROOF.

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If God exists, then God is surely the Creator of time. Consequently, we would then expect God to exist outside of and independent of time. How then can one expect to find logically coherent evidence for an entity or force that by its very nature transcends logic, which is a linear concept and thus bound to the dimension of time?

This is why spiritual concepts are often communicated through metaphor.

Look, (IFF) god(s) are not bound by logic (THEN) they are NECESSARILY INCOMPREHENSIBLE.

Incomprehensible (incoherent) god(s) are INDISTINGUISHABLE from NO GOD(S).

And, an appeal to "spiritual concepts" is a de facto appeal to ignorance.

Incomprehensible (incoherent) god(s) are INDISTINGUISHABLE from NO GOD(S).

It can be logically understood that a thing cannot be understood logically. A claim of no God is a claim of omniscience.

All thought is necessarily logical (subject to cause and effect).

Anything that does not follow cause and effect would necessarily be RANDOM.

(IFF) you claim your god "cannot be understood logically" (THEN) your god acts RANDOMLY and is necessarily INCOMPREHENSIBLE and INCOHERENT.

There can be no "learning" about an INCOMPREHENSIBLE and INCOHERENT subject.

So it would really beg the question of why anyone would (or if they even could) "believe" in such a god, much less try to talk about it.

How do you know that all thought is linear?

Have you ever had a rich idea fall upon you in an instant, yet it takes you minutes to articulate it to yourself or to others? In what language did the thought carrying that idea speak to you? If you know not, then you can say not that it's linear. It certainly seems otherwise to me.

"If you know not, then you can say not that it's linear." - this is a classic appeal to ignorance.

An appeal to ignorance is commonly used to defend unfalsifiable claims (like bigfootspacealiens).

Here's the problem.

There are only two possible options.

(EITHER)

(1) your thoughts (and actions) are contextual (caused by previous experiences, including your biology).

(OR)

(2) your thoughts (and actions) are random (uncaused by any previous experiences).

If you pick #1, then your thoughts (and actions) relate to your memory and the world around you (contextual). This means your thoughts (and actions) are potentially USEFUL TO YOU AND OR OTHERS.

If you pick #2, then your thoughts (and actions) don't necessarily relate to anything at all. And as a matter of fact, statistically, it would be extremely unlikely that any RANDOM thought or action would be even remotely or incidentally USEFUL TO YOU AND OR OTHERS.

Now you might try to mix the two options, some caused, some uncaused, and that's fine.

Your useful thoughts and actions MUST BE CAUSED.

YOur "free" thoughts and actions are TAUTOLOGICALLY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE (99.999% of the time).

I am not sure what you're attempting to argue here. Are you suggesting that a non-linear thought cannot have a cause?