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RE: Just War - Just a Way to Excuse Soldiers

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Cool.

I agree - jury systems are the best way to adjudicate.
(A state only gets in the way of justice, from how I see it.)

Yeah, except sociopaths in a voluntary society are confined primarily because people cease taking their shit.

Apart from the fact I do not really see a totally voluntarist society as a reality (more of an ideology), the pathology of psychopathy and sociopaths camouflages itself seamlessly within any societies.

These people are better 'hiders' than are the 'searchers' talents- as history more than highlights. (and why we are in the problems we are in now, today).

( 4% of the population - give or take - and one the reasons I find weakness in the voluntarist ideology argument.)
'They' -the 4%- will 'play' at voluntarism- perfectly camouflaged within societies - until it is time to change...
Using a voluntarism ideology against voluntarist ideologues would be child's play for these manipulators of men.
( or any ideology actually, as can be seen in communism. I'm not conflating voluntarism to communism! lol),

Interestingly over this last week, I am seeing patterns of behavior just like communists - when offering critical responses to the voluntarist.
( Which is very depressing).
Intolerance in people of any ideology seems to be a real weakness.

I'm pragmatic.

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I don't disagree about the ability of a sociopath to blend into society. I'm well aware of what they can do and how they can do it.

However, if the world view of the majority of the population is "violation of property and consent are always wrong, even if the person is wearing a fancy uniform" the effective scope of a sociopath to cause real harm is practically reduced, and it's reduced to a large degree. The state is the vehicle by which sociopaths effect their greatest mistreatment of human beings. Why is that the case?

Because the state occupies some magical status whereby it is not morally responsible for its actions, all the while you are. Sociopaths won't magically disappear absent a state, but they will have lost their greatest tool for abusing other people.

As for intolerance of any ideology, can you expand on that?

The state is the vehicle by which sociopaths effect their greatest mistreatment of human beings.

Possibly - but I see social anonymity as the main vehicle for the 4% to proliferate their negative influence...
Ostracizing of old, doesn't work in today's world..

Sociopaths won't magically disappear absent a state, but they will have lost their greatest tool for abusing other people.

Very interesting point....
I'll need to think about that aspect and get back to you. ( I never really thought about it in those terms...and it's getting late here...)

As for intolerance of any ideology, can you expand on that?

I just posted this - as a direct response to my criticism of aLarken Rose post..

https://steemit.com/blog/@lucylin/voluntarists-are-just-the-same-as-communists

Social anonymity does not account for the fact that if the general consensus among a given population is "if you try to force me to do something, I'll defend myself" it very much lessens the impact a sociopath could have, as they would have to use means that, ultimately, aren't even immoral. We might all decry high-pressure salesmanship or quid pro quo, but there's nothing inherently immoral about either of these personal practices. Compare this to the men and women who comprise the state, who can use coercion to gain compliance and socialize the cost of doing so. Ostracism still works, boss.

So I understand a little where you're coming from, though your premise in the linked post is flawed (just like not all states are equally bad, not all ideologies are equal). Since not all ideologies are created equal, it is extremely helpful to sort out those that believe things diametrically opposed to reality and who can't universalize their ethics, as those are people who are going to waste your time. Aside from the fact they're provably wrong in their assertions, they're going to spend most (if not all) of their time with you trying to prove you wrong.

It's one thing to embrace an ideology and be completely uninformed. Happens across the spectrum. But you shouldn't welcome everyone with open arms. I'm not going to work together with communists, even if we happen to have crossed purposes in the moment. They can do their thing, and I'll do mine. If that ends up helping us separately, cool. They're still hopelessly backwards in their thinking and should rightly be considered an enemy to humanity.