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RE: There Is No Such Thing As Free Will

in #philosophy8 years ago (edited)

We believed that we were are the center of it all and that some higher power breathed life to everything around us, for us.

When you can prove that we are not at the center of it all I am open to having a discussion - but until such time - your assumptions are scientifically unsubstantiated.!

If you have no control over your life (as you pre-suppose) then why should I believe one word that you write? I am merely replying to a bacteria or parasite!

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I didn't assert anything other than humans are "the center of it all" - as you put it.

You made the claim that humans aren't the center of it all (not me) - don't attempt to divert. If humans aren't at the center then what is - it's a simple question that a bacteria should be able to answer, right?

It was you that stated that 'humans' are not at the center of it all, prove it.

Please produce evidence of a more evolved and intelligent being other than humans - you can't. Be a man (a bacteria or an ape, your choice because in your own words that is what you are).

You made the claim, back it up or correct it! You won't do either I am certain of it. I'm just having some fun with you but this is an important topic as I believe that are spreading mis-information.

bacteria don't have vocal cords not the same physiology as you. In the same respect I don't expect you to be able to fly.

Every single being on earth has evolved "the same". Just in a different way. We are not "more' evolved". Evolution doesn't care about these semantics. Arrogant humans do.

You are religious. You have an imaginary friend. Just leave it at that instead of mocking other things. Prove that your imaginary friend exists and then you tackle evolution and how it actually works.

Prove that nothing spontaneously created everything.

I'm not interested in debating you but I will leave you with this. There is far more evidence for God than there is for naturalism. Following is just one example of the research that has been done.

J. Warner Wallace is a retired Cold Case Police Investigator. He used proven cold case techniques to build a case for existence of God with the evidence that is available. Just like a cold case investigator would solve a crime where there are no living eye-witness testimonies. There is plenty of evidence. All the best!

Prove that nothing spontaneously created everything.

prove that something that created everything came out of nothing.

I'm not interested in debating you but I will leave you with this. There is far more evidence for God than there is for naturalism

there is the same evidence for the existence of God as there is for Harry
Potter.

J. Warner Wallace is a retired Cold Case Police Investigator. He used proven cold case techniques to build a case for existence of God with the evidence that is available.

hearsay is not evidence.

Avoiding the question again and trying to turn it back on me. I have answers, it seems that you don't.

Nothing cannot exist. If it ever did exist we would not be here. Try to imagine no time, space, matter, energy, particles, laws of physics, laws of nature etc - that is what nothing is.

Nothing cannot become something. Something always had to be there.

there is the same evidence for the existence of God as there is for Harry
Potter.

probably the most stupid and disingenuous comment that I've ever read on steemit.

You are not interested in finding the truth. I've pointed towards evidence from a cold case investigator and you come back with 'hearsay' before seeing the evidence.

There is also Lee Strobel's 'Case for Christ' - Lee was a militant atheist (such as yourself) working as the chief legal editor for the Chicago Tribune. He wanted to prove that there was no God. Instead he found compelling evidence for God.I could cite lot's more research but these two are good starts for anyone looking for evidence like I did.

I'm not writing this for your benefit - your closed minded but maybe someone else that reads this one day will do the research before deciding.

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. I can't prove a negative.

I can't prove there aren't flying pink elephants
I can't prove there isn't free will
i can't prove there aren't chocolate helicopters

Your evidence is hearsay. Indians that believe their cows are sacred also have evidence for Shiva. Each believer of each culture believes in their own gods.

This is why it is called belief. It requires no evidence.

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim that free will or god or or exists.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

If you have no control over your life (as you pre-suppose) then why should I believe one word that you write?

irrelevant.

I am merely replying to a bacteria or parasite and that is why I don't waste my time debating with fools like you!

You seem upset. You also bothered to write a comment which means i touched a nerve.

:)

Check out Sam Harris's book on Free Will.

I know I said I didn't read it in an earlier post, but I did read Waking Up by Sam Harris and he touches upon tons of interesting science and thought experiments that disprove the notion of self. I am sure that in his book Free Will, he goes much more deeply into the science portion.

Also, @kyriacos, I have been trying to figure out a better way to explain to people the Free Will argument. I think the biggest thing that confuses people is that they think, 'If my actions are dictated by my environment and genetics, then how is it that I feel like I have to push myself to do anything?'

How would you answer that question?

Life is a fucking joke anws. Just enjoy the ride and try not to be an asshole. This is how i respond.

try not to be an asshole.

According to to you we can't choose. You don't believe your own logic.

no you are making your own assumptions again

Is there a language barrier? You said try not to be an asshole. How can you rationalise the idea that there is no free will and also say that you have a choice at the same time? Do you believe there is free will or not?

You have no choice but to fall into the whims of your environment hence why there is no free will.