Very well. Your counterpoint about OCD actually proves the point I was making. If they're trying to compensate for a loss of control in other parts of their life, then they have indeed created excessive order in the washroom.
If they're trying to compensate for a loss of control in other parts of their life, then they have indeed created excessive order in the washroom.
Operative word being "excessive" which does not actually mean order. It still means chaos. You make a really great point here, but I must still argue that I don't see evidence of the point being made. Unless I'm mistaken, your original point, as was the original point of the podcast, was that excessive order causes chaos and neurosis. And conversely, in excessive chaos, people are less neurotic. Not more so.
An individual ATTEMPTING to achieve order by washing his hands, and excessively so, is not the same thing as ACHIEVING order. It is the same thing as achieving neurosis. Whereas the podcast states that the wild of nature brings out an easy going-ness in people. Not neurosis. In this example, though, the presumed wild and chaos in a person's life has brought about a neurosis.
Again, I would just need to see more fine tuned examples. I think the OCD example proves it wrong.
It was just kind of odd how you said you would prefer different examples, but you only mentioned the examples that were in the description, and not the ones in the podcast.
If I recall, I was referring to the examples you gave. I liked your analogy to the jungle, and I felt OCD had some wiggle room. The podcast mentioned the same stuff: neurosis and nature. The wild brings peace. It's a very thoughtful concept, to be sure. I don't know whether the schedule of a train or the schedule of the tides is much different, in theory. But they do bring about a different result.
Yeah. I did.
Very well. Your counterpoint about OCD actually proves the point I was making. If they're trying to compensate for a loss of control in other parts of their life, then they have indeed created excessive order in the washroom.
Operative word being "excessive" which does not actually mean order. It still means chaos. You make a really great point here, but I must still argue that I don't see evidence of the point being made. Unless I'm mistaken, your original point, as was the original point of the podcast, was that excessive order causes chaos and neurosis. And conversely, in excessive chaos, people are less neurotic. Not more so.
An individual ATTEMPTING to achieve order by washing his hands, and excessively so, is not the same thing as ACHIEVING order. It is the same thing as achieving neurosis. Whereas the podcast states that the wild of nature brings out an easy going-ness in people. Not neurosis. In this example, though, the presumed wild and chaos in a person's life has brought about a neurosis.
Again, I would just need to see more fine tuned examples. I think the OCD example proves it wrong.
It was just kind of odd how you said you would prefer different examples, but you only mentioned the examples that were in the description, and not the ones in the podcast.
If I recall, I was referring to the examples you gave. I liked your analogy to the jungle, and I felt OCD had some wiggle room. The podcast mentioned the same stuff: neurosis and nature. The wild brings peace. It's a very thoughtful concept, to be sure. I don't know whether the schedule of a train or the schedule of the tides is much different, in theory. But they do bring about a different result.