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RE: US and NATO will defend Ukraine - until last UA citizen >:

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Agree, war is always devastating.
When I say politics, I mean game for politicians bcs they will go out unharmed physically, though, their egos will be somewhat broken. Ofc that it is also economy, actually, economy is at the first place...
Don.t think that R wants to take whole UA, just Donbas so it can have corridor to Crimea. Also, it would be tampon zone towards NATO countries.
Yes, we all know what is happening with freedom in R, but it was like that since...forever. But what is happening with freedom in Europe? Canceling entire country,its civilians, its artists, its history important persons, even its cats?!? Think you can agree that freedom of speech means that every side has a right to be heard and seen; Is there something in Europe that says different that western narrative? Are there Russian TV stations that are on cable so one can here both sides and decide what to believe? Is there freedom for R civilians to be able to buy things and walk free in western countries? Denying someone its own financial resources just because is "wrong" nationality is faaar form freedom.
Regarding the Crimea, just like UA, there are people who don.t want and who want to join with R. Only referendum can give answer to that Q.
Regarding negotiations, in psychology we have term double-bind communication. It means that with your words you give one msg and at the same time on nonverbal level you are giving opposite msg. So, which one you believe more? Words or behavior? Should I believe that US and EU really want negotiations while sending enormous amount of weapons? At some point, think yes, but after fulfilling their own agenda first. Let.s not be naive, US is gaining a lot of money from this war, unlike EU, which is actually in attempt of suicide.
Don.t remember details, was long time ago, but @vikisecrets for example can tell about censorship bcs in Serbia, so far, I can reach any IP.

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We differ from 'opinion' regarding what the leader of R wants. In fact, the reality shows this guy wants more than Donbas. His generals say so themselves. His missiles show as well.

Cancelling R? Freedom? I think you put things in the wrong perspective. The western world didn't cancel R just because it wants to. As a matter of fact, the western world did a lot of business with R for a long long time. Allowed, many peeps from R to come and live in Europe (the rich and the poor). Enjoyed the R culture and whatnot. However, in times of 'war' things happens, including cutting off R for business. I predict, when peace is made in one or the other way, the western world will pick up with R more or less from where it left it before mister P decided to start a war (trying to cancel Ukraine, to use your own words). Basically what I'm saying is, please don't confuse wartime with normal times.