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RE: Why I agree with Robert Kiyosaki "Only you can save you" and "Putting your faith in systems will always let you down"

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This is true but society isn't set up to promote resiliency, self sufficiency, independence. Society is or seems to be set up to promote the exact opposite actually.

How many people do you know who don't depend on being chosen in some way? Either for a job because they have a boss who chooses their salary, or for the college they got into, or into the sports league? Most people seem to get where they are because other people chose to give them some opportunity.

But if you're talking about self made self employed where no particular person gave them any opportunity, where there was no mentor, no parents, no community of investors to support their brilliant ideas? Very few people actually are in the position you speak of.

Becoming financially independent is extremely difficult but it is possible. I just don't think the vast majority of people understand that it can take most of a lifetime to reach that position if they ever reach it. In general I support universal basic income, as this would allow everyone to have at least the opportunity to reach that position, but as things are right now it takes money to make money work for you and a lot of people just don't get born with any advantages.

I believe this was the idea when the U.S was first founded. Government won't get in our way but you are on your own. This is how it should be. Individuals makes up groups. Prepared individuals = Prepared groups.

This is perhaps unrealistic. Yes on some level you can say people have to do for themselves but not everyone is going to do that to the same degree and almost no one is completely independent. I mean you would have to live in the woods somewhere outside of society and off the grid. I promote individuality yes, but I don't think you have to be completely independent for your individuality to be respected. You can be an individual with a family, with friends, part of a community, etc, just as long as you know yourself and who you are.

I personally like the ideas of libertarianism but am hesistant to say "I am a libertarian" cause bigger boxes or bigger labels get placed on top of that "So you're also conservative or republican" which begets more negative labels and so on. I feel we get so caught up in being this and that we forget that ideology is a tool not something that needs an army to rise up to protect it's sacred grounds from invading ideologies. This is how many wars are started and valuable minds are lost.

I agree with you on a lot of what you say here. I don't really think in ideologies but in terms of whether or not something really works for people. If what you're doing and how you're thinking about the world is working for you then who am I to tell you to stop? On the other hand if a particular ideology is leaving people in really bad positions socially, economically, personally, then maybe the people adhering to that ideology should re-evaluate the value of the ideology? What good is an ideology if it produces negative outcomes for the people who follow it?

Robert Kiyosaki makes great and memorable points because he offers practical information on how a person can improve their life and improve their financial literacy. The fact is, whatever it is that he is doing is proven to work because it's working for him, and also to be honest a lot of other people who follow similar paths seem to be doing pretty well at least economically, so he's proving his thesis. If a person actually is rich, and actually made money, and actually knows the system, that is a person to learn the system from if the goal is to gain practical knowledge. A lot of academic scholars might know how the system works in theory, such as how the government works and how the voting system works, or even how the legal system is supposed to work, but how it works in practice is another matter and cannot be learned in class.

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This is true but society isn't set up to promote resiliency, self sufficiency, independence. Society is or seems to be set up to promote the exact opposite actually.
How many people do you know who don't depend on being chosen in some way? Either for a job because they have a boss who chooses their salary, or for the college they got into, or into the sports league? Most people seem to get where they are because other people chose to give them some opportunity.

I would agree society is not setup to allow a person to be a full independent rugged survivalist. Nepotism is the dictator of who deserves the privilege of the opportunity to improve their living standard. This would be a good decision to make even if society were to promote "do it yourself". Give a man the ability to earn for himself and he needs not ask you for your ability or steal it from you. In many cases this is the only way to be self-sufficient. I do believe more than financial independence is needed for a more resilient society such as high quality education and a healthy dose of skepticism. Being informed and informing others goes a long way in surviving system failures. Individualism does extend further than being smart with money and career planning. Thinking is key too.

Becoming financially independent is extremely difficult but it is possible. I just don't think the vast majority of people understand that it can take most of a lifetime to reach that position if they ever reach it. In general I support universal basic income, as this would allow everyone to have at least the opportunity to reach that position, but as things are right now it takes money to make money work for you and a lot of people just don't get born with any advantages.

I can acknowledge and know it is not very easy and gets much more difficult as we lose sight of principles that would make the road less difficult. The U.S' deceased middle class tells the tale quite clear that many do not have the wage growth and may not see it to claim that status of stability. We'd do well to prioritize living within your means and saving. If we had, however, it makes me think would we be in a situation where there was high risk in systemic failure? If people refuted schemes to manipulate wealth generation would such a risk be present to resist in the first place? A statistic that comes to mind that I find interesting was 40% of Americans lived on farms at the beginning of the 20th century. These were people that could live of the land they owned as long as people bought their food and in most cases, people do need to eat. Not a lavish lifestyle but can sustain your livelihood. Now less than 2% of americans grow produce and raise livestock for a living. The other 98% rely on grocery stores and the food delivery infrastructure to be fed. Were we more self-sufficient a century ago? Now I know it is not practical nor am i suggesting we all go back to tending the fields but are there some principles we can learn from our predecessors a century ago about independence? Complete independence is highly difficult and would require a high degree of support to even achieve such a feat. Humans are social creatures and we can't get anywhere without cooperation which I support. I do advocate responsibility for yourself as much as you have the means to do so. If we can reach a status where the 'majority' would survive a collapse of vital system infrastructure I think that would minimize the threat and possibly the likelihood of such an event occurring.

You can be an individual with a family, with friends, part of a community, etc, just as long as you know yourself and who you are.

Completely agree, family is the support everyone needs when you get knocked off your feet. People capable of helping up those who fall down requires those people be firm on their soles.

Robert Kiyosaki makes great and memorable points because he offers practical information on how a person can improve their life and improve their financial literacy. The fact is, whatever it is that he is doing is proven to work because it's working for him, and also to be honest a lot of other people who follow similar paths seem to be doing pretty well at least economically, so he's proving his thesis. If a person actually is rich, and actually made money, and actually knows the system, that is a person to learn the system from if the goal is to gain practical knowledge. A lot of academic scholars might know how the system works in theory, such as how the government works and how the voting system works, or even how the legal system is supposed to work, but how it works in practice is another matter and cannot be learned in class.

I remember being a child and reading just a few pages of my mom's copy of Rich Dad, Poor Dad. The insights I got from that book, while I did not absorb all the valuable concepts at that age, put financial literacy as a skill set I needed to develop early on. He is one of the mentors I stumbled on to that lead me down a path that I can say I would not have discovered if not for his knowledge. I know my school certainly wasn't going to teach me why I should pay myself first and prioritize saving. I really should read more of his books, Rich Dad, Poor Dad was a very fun read through!