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RE: Illegal Immigration, Prejudice and Racism

in #politics6 years ago

I appreciate you putting your opinion out there, but I do disagree, and I hope you will hear me out on my perspective.

  • It's good that you acknowledge that everyone does have prejudices, but I feel it's unfair to say you only judge people based on their character. There are a lot of societally ingrained prejudices that exist subconsciously within everyone.

  • There is not a finite amount of labor, so the idea of undocumented immigrants "taking people's jobs" is not grounded in reality. (Lump of labor fallacy)

  • While it is true that with how things currently are, undocumented citizens can work for lower wages, which does negatively impact other working people, keeping undocumented citizens out is not the only solution. As a country we could provide amnesty to the undocumented citizens that are currently here, which would require employers to pay them the same rate as their other employees, which would solve this problem.

  • The issue of the price of housing seems to be artificial (not on your end, just as a whole), due to the fact that there are currently more empty homes than there are homeless people. The problem with housing is an underlying issue beyond immigration.

  • The rest of what you wrote is merely a matter of values, so nothing in particular I can say to oppose it, aside from that I don't believe America should resemble an exclusive clique.

Thank you for your time, and consideration of a differing perspective.

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  • Maybe I should have said my conscious prejudices. If I knew about my subconscious prejudices I would have thrown them in, but then they wouldn't be subconscious would they.
  • If I run a small business with 10-15 employees, I have enough work for those employees. There is a finite amount of work available in my business. If I hire an extra one, either I cut the hours of all of them or I pay them to sit around when there is nothing to be done. While I now have more capacity (supply), I don't have work to fill that capacity (demand). Theories often work great on paper and fail in reality.

    Arguments against the lump of labor fallacy focus on legal immigration, which I am not against. They point out the potential of immigrants to start new businesses, employing workers and expanding the economy. I agree with this. Where I disagree is in the area of low skilled employment. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are not going to start businesses and expand the economy, just become part of it. The assumption that jobs are infinite in number makes it impossible to "expand the economy". How do you expand something that is already infinite?

    While there is the potential for an economy to expand to provide jobs for more people, at any one moment in time there is a finite amount of constructive work available in a given economy. For the last 40-50 years, economists have endeavored to protect us from inflation by limiting economic growth to a around 3%. The ongoing influx of illegals has allowed this economic growth by limiting the reward to workers (wage increases).
  • There is no such thing as an "undocumented citizen", if they are undocumented they are not a citizen. Undocumented aliens should be paid the same wage as American workers, and employers that hire undocumented aliens (especially for lower wages) should be prosecuted aggressively. These employers are breaking laws by employing illegals and by paying one group of workers less than another group.
  • I would not doubt the aggregate number of empty houses would provide housing for all of the homeless. It comes down to a matter of location and financial ability to move into the house. The house available may be in a different part of the country than the homeless person wishing to live in it. Housing prices are a complex issue with several different drivers, one of which is the number of people wanting to get into the housing.

Thank you for the time you took reading and responding to my opinions. These may be points that we simply have to agree to disagree on.