Your point about ceding vs taken is a good one, the very weakness of utopian fantasies like marxism is one of their biggest faults. While leftist look at themselves as advocates of or adherents to egalitarianism - and think that the more left wing an ideology is, the more it opposes hierarchy and authority...
Everyone else views them as authoritarian enforcers of thoughtcrime.
Speaking of citing(and yes my castro claimed isn't proven) evidence where have you once cited evidence that Stalin,Mao,Ho Chi Minh, Robert Mugabe, Hugo Chavez were right-wing perverts?
How did they get it wrong?
By failing?
A quick aside, what forum were you proposing for debate?
You won't find a more egalitarian system of thought and governance than the jewish system and its descendants excluding of course the clerical-fascists(you know who you are!)
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