I still believe that private ownership of the means of production is something that can be reached quite easily without the need for a monopoly of force. Although it is true, that the State is a great guarantor of private property.
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"I still believe that private ownership of the means of production is something that can be reached quite easily without the need for a monopoly of force. Although it is true, that the State is a great guarantor of private property."
By definition private property is taking away one groups ability to freely use the means of production without taking away their dependence on it. The only way to take away freedom is (violent) force (or threat of force) on one group from another to do their bidding. This is how most anarchists would define a state, so by definition private property cannot exist without a state.
According to Locke, every man owns a property that belongs to himself and no one has the right to that property except the owner himself, since the work employed in that property makes it his own and, having employed his work in that property, makes the rest of the men no longer have a right over her. For he has taken that property from the state in which it commonly belonged to all and has made it his.
In addition, although we could discuss the moral issue about property ownership, there is also the issue of whether or not it is beneficial to eliminate property, because according to what Mises tells us, abolishing property would be totally damaging to the market.
capitalism is the most destructive force in history, capital accumulation to be specific. So fuck markets
"According to Locke, every man owns a property that belongs to himself and no one has the right to that property except the owner himself, since the work employed in that property makes it his own and, having employed his work in that property, makes the rest of the men no longer have a right over her. For he has taken that property from the state in which it commonly belonged to all and has made it his."
We could go into the debate that property is a social construct, but instead I will use the socialist argument.
The understanding of private property is based on absentee ownership, the owner has no need to labor the property for profit. That means the property (or future property attained through capital accumulation) was attained through ownership of capital, not through their own labor.
The basis of leftism is that the worker deserves everything they produce.
The problem is that the worker wants more than what he produces. The value is not granted by the worker, but the value is given by the market. In addition, it is evident of the failure of this policy, here in Venezuela there are a couple of completely socialist companies, which are owned by workers, and the reality is that the State must subsidize it because it is incredibly inefficient. However, nothing prevents the formation of community companies, why are they not carried out? The reality is that people only want to start a business if there is a positive benefit for them. Another point against that idea, is that even the capitalist who does nothing, that is a silly idea, say that the worker makes an effort and that the employer does not, which is false, the worker in many cases makes only one repetitive and very simple work, while the level of responsibility reace fully in the employer, however, even in the case in which the employer does nothing, must be rewarded, because it is putting their property in operation of society , that is, its property is being used to produce goods and services that society demands, and whenever it does so effectively, it will receive a reward for it. In practice, this system of rewards and incentives is everything, in socialism the incentives are set on doing nothing and being unproductive.
The problems that manifest themselves in the market today are mainly due to state intervention. As for example, the quasi-socialist financial system that currently prevails.
you don't seem to understand the labor theory of value. In a command economy the value of an object is simply what it takes to produce it.
If the worker always wants more resources to himself (which actually ignores a lot) this situation is what would come to be
" in socialism the incentives are set on doing nothing and being unproductive."
complete propaganda, are you so stupid that you think people would design a system like that? You are delusional lmao
maybe this paper by albert einstein on socialism might help clear some of it up
https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
Maybe I read the article about Einstein later, but he is not at all a reference to discuss these issues, the socialists always decide to rely on people who know absolutely nothing about economics like Marx, Einstein or Chomsky.
It is not that I believe, it is that I have seen it with my eyes, socialism completely reverses the economic incentives, that is why all the companies that were expropriated in Venezuela now do not produce anything.