My reservation about this feature is a problem most people will have never seen, but nowadays, with bots voting on most posts, there is already a significant incentive for whales to vote on comments instead of posts to gain more curation rewards. My regular curator noticed this and pointed it out to me, but I didn't feel it was a good idea to vote mostly on comments just to game the reward system. But with this further tilt of the incentives, I feel it's likely that this feature will lead to abuse that has not been anticipated. I would rather delay this feature until the reward curve has been adjusted to reduce this potential abuse.
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If you were already interested in voting on comments before the change, I'd say go for it! I think the whole reason that the change was proposed in the first place was because users/whales were not voting on comments enough. If more people did it, it would remove the need for the change (IMO).
Yes, I've started voting on comments more, although I only vote with a portion of my stake most of the time, because the typical comments isn't worth $30.
$30 when the price was 0.06$, and all whales were voting.
Yeah, if I didn't think I'd get burnt at the stake for it, I'd be tempted to see just how much it would be. Maybe clayop can make another of those non-reward comments and I could do a full upvote on it as an experiment.
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You could try it once and then just remove your vote right after. I'm curious to see what it is too :)
hey hey boys - no tsunamis please :D
The feature has already been implemented and tested, and we'd like to move on immediately to the reward curve in 18. If it's abused, we will see such soon, and address it quickly in 18 or 19 (or via other means).
Fear of minor abuses of rewards allocation isn't something to worry about; we're doing regular hardforks and if there is a serious problem with any change, it will be reverted or improved quickly. The point of the comment rewards pool is to directly address one of our community's biggest existential threats: our retention rate for new users. It's a lot easier to comment than to write a new post, and by ensuring that users who only comment can also earn meaningful rewards should improve that a lot.
It had been anticipated that's why it was proposed it would be without curation rewards. I would love to see a reward pool for comments only, no curation rewards, because that would create a lot of reason for non bloggers to be here, and they will attract real investors.
You may be right that this would work, and I'm aware it was originally proposed without curation rewards. My concern about having no curation rewards from an incentive point of view is that now bad actors would be incentivized to upvote comments from their sockpuppets because they no longer can profit from curation rewards aspect (which normally acts as a potential magnifier on their reward if they vote for stuff other people like).
Personally I don't think curation ever discouraged users from using their vote to upvote themselves. It's one of the perks of having steem power, and we already see it frequently used.
It was proposed without curation rewards, but that changed, and if HF17 went live today it would have had curation rewards:
https://github.com/steemit/steem/issues/774#issuecomment-282416981
Yeah, I'm actually writing up a post now on why we should support it without curation rewards. Seemed totally logical to me before steemit inc even made it clear they would be removing the curation rewards.
A whole new group of people might not like that idea because it's a 38% cut to curation rewards as a whole.
The whole thing is such a sticky situation!
The issue is not "how should we design this feature", but "now that this feature has been modeled, designed, implemented, and tested, should we block its release"?
If there is abuse of the new model, we can mitigate that in turn in the future, either via downvote bots, social action, or modifying incentives/disincentives in a future hardfork.
We need @steemcleaners or @cheetah to unmask the cheeters/gamers that endanger the game, imo.