if you read the proposal I even state this is their first big game they have dreamed of creating. If you go back to early posts there are links to their app store games that companies orered as cheesy little games. The original plans of a double A game with edited Unity assets is already changing to triple A & building our own assets completely. So we are not jumping onboard a gaming studio that is well established yet that is also why we are asking for more Hive developer support and funding. Even without the funding just to find more developers to hire we plan to accomplish all these milestones, merely asking for support in speeding things up.
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I'd love to see a lot more development before this type of money is discussed. Something functional. I fully agree with @niallon11 on every point made.
I've also always had some issue with the idea that this concept that has been too hard for everyone else can just be done by this team that has no experience in any of it and it could be done on a shoestring budget and it can be done in record time and almost every request for features I've ever seen has been met with "of course we'll have that". Now I see it again with this comment:
This all things to all people approach is either naive or not honest and I'm not sure which of those is better.
With my thoughts since the beginning that the odds are stacked against actual development the way its claimed will happen, the fact that we've seen nothing but a few demos but the team keeps coming back to the well and hooking the community deeper on a game that was said to be fully funded by an unnamed entity, it makes me nervous.
There are also several other red flags I won't mention here.
I personally want to see something real come out before the topic of money or things to buy is breached again.
I hope none of this is taken personally. I have high hopes for this game which is why I bought commercial land, founder packs, and several hundred thousand LVL but I would be lying if I said I didn't have alarm bells going off in my head right now.
How would you feel if each proposal was brought before you, one at a time, job completed and closed as promised? Would you be more willing to vote on each proposal separately?
Perhaps I didn't read the announcement right, but it sure seemed like a roadmap of a plan. Who cares if they ask for $100M if they're asking for $20K here, doing the job, completing the task, building the bridges as promised on time, then asking for the next $20K to build another one to do it all over again.
I understand you're thinking of this as one macro ask...instead, I believe you should be looking this as an announcement of micro-projects with one large project announced with it.
If they build the bridges they are asking to build, how many do they need to build before you can trust they'll do the other things they're asking for? Isn't this also why milestones are key to any proposal?
I haven't been around Hive terribly long, but I'm pretty sure I read this announcement right...
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I would feel the exact same way because I already understood it wasn't one big macro ask.
But to further answer your question, I would feel great about it if we could say the first proposal was the working game.
Let's call the working game--already more than fully funded by the community and a VC-- the first job to complete and then they can come back and ask for more.
But the progressively higher asks making me feel better about it? That's the basis for the word con man. The scams that created the term con man are based on a scam structure where a CON-fidence MAN gains your confidence by delivering on several smaller but ever increasing tasks/investments and then has the big ask at the end which is ultimately the con.
I'm not saying that's what is happening here but I am saying that it certainly doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy when I see the structure of this.
They should deliver the fully funded game.
I read what you're say'n...but if the proposals along the way benefit all of the Hive ecosystem, not solely the game they're making, I'm not seeing the connection to your example of a con-man. If the first proposal, as an example, is to build a bridge from one main coin to Hive or even a 2nd level token like LVL, it either works or it doesn't.
Then, if the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th proposals are to do the same thing, and they're built...again, this of course helps the game, but it helps all of Hive, does it not? Here's the folly with your argument: Any business has to gain the confidence of their investors. They do this by showing levels of completion in the project. Legit or not...it's done the same way. What you're describing to me, or explaining to me is not a mindset of an investor, in my opinion. It is the mindset of all or nothing and that's not what presented. I understand you want to see the game released before being willing to vote on a proposal to release funds. By the time the game is released, it'll be too late to provide the RC's. The goal is never to provide a AAA game to the public and have the site shut down because you can't get enough people on...because they can't create accounts fast enough. That's kind of like Coinbase saying, "Let's advertise free bitcoin at the SuperBowl" and then have the site go down in a few seconds because they weren't expecting so many people to come.
Obviously you believe enough in the game to put your own funds at "risk" and I respect that. You've brought to light your concerns. I respect that, too. I've also seen where @psyberx has stated they won't put out any proposals until at least the marketplace is up and live. While some would say that's also a con-man's method...give you a way to buy into a project before the main attraction is released, it's also what all major blockchain games are doing-have a way to buy NFTs before the game is released.
What good is the game if you have 1,000 people who can play it while the rest of the world can't come in, but by 1-3 per day. That seems silly to me at best.
Good thing is they are opening the Alpha version to people with Founders titles...With a commercial plot, I think I saw your name on that list, you will qualify to play before everyone else in June/July. Maybe then, you'll feel a little more confident. Only time will tell...
You don't gain a person/group's confidence by doing things that benefit just yourself. The confidence game is about benefiting the mark with the small stuff until they trust you enough that you can run off with the big stuff.
And there is no folly in my argument. Go tell a VC you want them to give you money but they can only read your blog and talk to you on discord. Let me know if you get to the part about milestones or how much of your concept is done before they hangup on you.
In the real world we have credit profiles and tax returns and assets to place liens on and lifelong social networks and job histories and school transcripts and government ID's and still most businesses are self funded or if they get investors they are usually family and very close friends until they've actually proven they can make profit.
No one is asking for all or nothing and I'm not even asking for the game to be released publicly before voting to give them these grants. I just want something delivered besides a trailer. Deliver the Alpha version. Prove that they can even make a working game that does even a fraction of what it's supposed to and is fun before we start talking about marketing plans that will blow our minds if we knew them and setting the stage for millions of players or as they put it early on, the biggest blockchain game in history and the game that will revolutionize blockchain gaming and the game that will bring all the best parts of Fortnite and all the best parts of world builders together with NFT's and change gaming as we know it.
Can we at least see an alpha version of that game before we vote to give them millions in value because they proved themselves by building a bridge?
That's all I'm asking.
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Based on what I've seen, the answer is "yes" lol...that's the great thing about voting. You can ask for anything before you give your vote away...another nice thing about voting-until there is a proposal, there is no vote. I'll be watching for when an a proposal is actually brought forward.
I'll be watching too. Thanks for the chat.
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