It’s true that (only some?) females mistake criminals and PUAs for alpha males, but the real alpha males can’t be bothered and don’t ever pander to females— more females come to them than they know what to do with. So when I speak about beta and alpha, I don’t refer to the metric of what females think, but rather the metric of what economics outcomes prove (and not just short-term bling, but resilience in the face of for example the collapse of Western civilization over the next decade). For example, Bill Gates isn’t pandering to females and I think you’d find it difficult to argue he’s not a true alpha instrumental in the first wave of the personal computer revolution.
There's also the fact anyone who is an alpha male likely never uses the word alpha male in the first place
Probably not, although they might use it to make a scientific point in context where it was economically important to do so.
and using things like force and not reason would be another hallmark trait
Apparently you’re fixated on a definition of alpha male from the stand point of the societies of apes. I’m actually referring to human civilization. So apparently our dissonance is w.r.t. context and correct definitions.
If you can craft superior tools to easily defeat someone that uses only blunt force, then who is the real alpha male?
The victor. Was not Genghis Khan an alpha given 1/3 of the human population carries some of his genetics? But remember 180 IQ Freeman Dyson’s point when he obliterated Richard Dawkins and explained that technological and cultural evolution is orders-of-magnitude outpacing species (i.e. genetic) selection. So human civilization is rapidly evolving away from apes toward technological and cultural selection; thus, the alphas will be found there more so than physical brutality. Females haven’t quite caught up yet to this apparently (or maybe the astute ones have, I dunno?), yet technology will soon empower humans to bypass the female hindbrain w.r.t. reproduction.
Btw, I received a reply from CoinCube (BCT user) relayed via a mutual contact:
A couple of minor areas of difference.
- The arbitrary distinction into alpha and beta obscures the larger issue. The underlying reality is a complex male dominance hierarchy a pyramid. You can divide it arbitrarily into a top and bottom half but you are again left with two roughly pyramidal type structures not uniform groups.
The division and simplification of a complex multi layered hierarchy into two arbitrary groups is both an oversimplification and predisposes one to false us vs them ideologies.
I agree. I simplified the point, because my main point was about the dysfunction of social media when there’s no ramifications and individuals/groups can deceive themselves as to the true economic worth of themselves and their social media activities. Again that’s why I’m working hard on decentralized ledgers and decentralized curation so we hopefully get a more meritorious feedback loop going on. Debt bubbles feeding and driven by socialism, and the concomitant overvaluations of social media companies who have shitty business models are also a factor.
- James A. Donaldson is incorrect when he says that the reason beta males fight and die for alpha males is so they can dominate their families.
There can certainly be intense and dark pleasure in dominating others especially on short timelines so this motivation cannot be entirely dismissed. However, it is not the primary motivation. Men low on the dominance hierarchy to willing to risk what little they have even their lives supporting higher status men if doing so will protect their sovereignty over their family.
Domination is something that is imposed on others via force. Legitimate sovereignty is something that is earned and accepted voluntarily.
My other comment on this blog page is also relevant. My use of the term dominion doesn’t mean necessarily domination in a negative sense. It means sovereignty. And because of the nature of females, males can’t be sovereign when the State is destroying K strategy reproduction by rewarding the hindbrain of females as we have discussed extensively in the past both in the Dark Enlightenment thread at BCT and also my various comments on Steemit such as on my Is Egalitarianism Unconstitutional blog.
Females will never willingly accept to give up their ability to destroy society with R strategy. Men have to make it a reality if they want sovereignty. Women will follow because they’re followers not leaders. If they don’t want to follow (i.e. accept voluntarily) then they’re cast into the plight of financing their hindbrain strategy which resolves to prostitution and other ways that women can realistically earn money in a society that stops paying them to promote R strategy. The men who break away from the clusterfucked (and bankrupt) society and form a rational conservative society based strongly in educating the males in engineering and science can become so competitive that it can cherry pick the females from the clusterfucked society so such males in this dominant society can have as many wives as they can financial support.
You associate with “dark pleasure” what some other men see as glorious order where females and males are both happier and healthier. You presume that if men are not subjugated by the State, then they will abuse women. And you presume the only option is to empower females. But how can you empower females when their hindbrains don’t agree. You can’t. All you can do is destroy sovereignty and turn the society into a clusterfuck. And this is the mistake of the illogic of the “enlightened” progressives in general. Yet the Zionists understand this and they’re trying to keep the male goyim pinned down in this clusterfuck. The goyim so far are too disoriented to react competitively. They should rather be learning from the Apaches and the lesson of the Starfish and the Spider.
Note that I understand that many men are currently coping and some even prospering in Western society in their personal and work relationships involving also females. I’m not disparaging what they have going. If it’s working for them, then great. I’m also not asserting that I would never work with talented females, although I’m fairly certain I would be extremely cautious about doing so in fear of getting entangled in some SJW dragnet.
I don’t advocate nor would I tolerate real violence against females and even JAD has agreed. What I want is a society that excommunicates those who deviate too far, and casts them back into the plight of the general clusterfucked society.
I wish I had a fairytale perspective of humanity. It would much easier to get on with life. I probably should have swallowed the blue pill earlier in life. Nevertheless I continue to enjoy happy moments with humans. I just don’t put excessive exuberance into civilizations. They’re useful for what they are, but they’re also eventually decadent and have to move on to something new.