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RE: Culture and Race are not the same thing: Could it be culture that is the cause for elevated police encounter fatalities rather than race? Is BLM aiming for the wrong causation?

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I'll edit this comment and add that in a sec.

EDIT: alright, here we go - FBI stat came from here --> https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded/expandhomicidemain

The chart comes from here --> https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

Several interesting ones there too but the pics would not only burn through my data allotment, they'd also make this comment long enough to be post on its own.


That said, while I was going through my search history to find this, I discovered there are much more recent stats (specifically going up to 2015) from the FBI ---> https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2015.xls

Also from the FBI. Salient points:

Total Homicides with White Victims: 3167
Homicides with White Victims and White Perpetrators: 2574

Total Homicides with Black Victims: 2664
Homicides with Black Victims and Black Perpetrators: 2380

Thus, in 2015, according to the FBI (and if I am reading those statistics correctly) there were literally fewer black-on-black murders than there were white-on-white murders.

I will concede, looking at that table, that there were more black-killer-white-victim murders than the reverse. In the interest of fairness.

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Thanks for that! So the data from the US News graphic is absolute numbers... I hope I am understanding that wrong. Looking at the FBI data you provided.... can that be real? Please correct me if I am wrong, and I hope I am.

Using the most recent data from the final link you provided (2015) and considering the population base as taken from Wikipedia (2017), so the total population data is off a bit, but not by much:

White population: 223,553,265 & white-on-white murders: 2574 = 1 w-o-w murder per 86,850 people, i.e. ca. 1.15 w-o-w murders per 100,000 population.

Black population: 40,695,277 & black-on-black murders: 2380 = 1 b-o-b murder per 17,098 people, i.e. ca. 5.9 b-o-b murders per 100,000 population.

Am I reading that wrong? I hope so. If not, that is just... horrible. Okay, checking my poverty thesis for possible mitigating factors ... Poverty rate among whites: 9%; blacks: 24% according to KFF. Higher rates of poverty also seem to correlate with more r-o-r murders... Hmm... there is more going on than I can account for and I don't want to go too deep down that rabbit hole right now, it's just too depressing.

That's fair enough. At least you're looking deeper into the statistics now. And yes, I saw that too (absolute numbers versus proportion of population)

Of course, I could go a step further while coming full circle and ask why the cop-on-perp kill percentages differ so drastically by racial demographic (even if we were to ignore actual guilt or lack thereof) or why, despite the similarity in absolute numbers for crimes where the perp is known, the imprisonment rate by demographic also differs so drastically.

And yes, it is depressing. It really really is.