RE: The evolution of Adam - Who is Adam

[jupiter5]

Oh I see. Well I guess the laws of Nature were the same that long ago, and also the existence of DNA in every cell of Adam´s body. So if the word laboratory seems very modern, call the garden as you wish ;p
With regard to their liberty to leave the garden, I have found nothing in the bible about it. I understand they were NOT free, since they probably were property of the god, and so, when they were expelled, they were not free to come back to the garden. However god seems too harsh to them 3 (serpent included) just for consuming the master´s monoatomic gold ... sorry, I mean the apple from the tree of knowledge/life :D

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[beltashazzar]

I agree, that the Bible does not say they were free to leave the Garden. It also does not say they were prisoners there. It says they were there to tend it, as gardeners, if you will. A lot of people today have gardeners and most of them are not prisoners of the garden they are tending. So you are really making an argument out of silence.

Also, the idea that the fruit of the tree of good and evil is called gold is nowhere found in Scripture. You are referring to Zachariah Sitchin's work, I am familiar with it. I used to be a fan as well. Until I studied harder and looked at his work with the same sceptical eye with which I looked at a lot of other things.

The Biblical text never says what the fruit of the tree of good and evil was. We know from the text that it had fruit and so did the tree of life. One was allowed and one was forbidden. We also know that every promise the serpent made to the man and the woman was about something they already possessed:
1: You shall not die (immortality) - they did not know death.
2: You will be as God - they were made in the image of God already.
3: Knowing Good and Evil - they had unhindered communication with God and could learn anything if they would simply ask.

This is all the text itself reveals. Why the judgements were what they were, the text does not say. You may think they were harsh, and it may be so. But if their choice brought death into the world, then perhaps the crime is rather serious?

I do not have a reason for many things which happen in life XD

[jupiter5]

The job as gardeners given by god to those two, may well be a question of maintaining them occupied. You know, doing nothing is the root of evil :) , thus giving tasks and rules may well have been the way to test the human capabilities to work for the master. I believe making an animal intelligent enough to undergo difficult tasks as maintaining a garden ;D and control the inner force to search for freedom is a difficult equilibrium, and hence a lot of monitoring is required. Walking around the garden talking to the humans, may have been a way to control the mental development (or the flow of information about the world) of his creations rather than to have really nice conversations.

The serpent: as far as I have read in the bible, the serpent didnt lie once.

1. The serpent said you shall not die, as soon as the woman said god had told her they would die if eating the fruit of the tree. They didn't die from eating the fruit, which makes god a lier, not the serpent.
2. You will be as god, meaning that they could also distinguish between good and evil, which is actually the effect after eating the fruit. That is also true then.
3. You really believe god and his 2 human creations had unhindered communication ? really? It seems a little innocent to think one can talk to his creator and expect an answer, or a true answer, or even a true answer that contains the information expected by the one who asks.

And finally how can anyone blame the 2 humans to have brought death into the world if they were the only 2 humans in the world? or may be was death to the .... horses? cows? goats? rabbits? rain forest?

note: I never liked Zachariah´s work, everything is very convenient, like any religion which has everything answered, and if it isnt, lets make hugeeee assumptions to cover the holes.

@beltashazzar, I am having a good time chating with you about these delicate matters. Thank you!