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Wow. So informational! I didn't know much about refraction before reading this, but your entire article kept me interested the whole time as you spoke about the curvature of the earth and other sciency-things I generally dislike. Do these "flat earther" people actually exist? How can they deny this logic?!
"How can they deny this logic?!"
Stupidity, is so far the only valid answer that question.
Must be. Seems so surprising to me that anyone would fully believe the earth is flat. I've never met such a person but almost want to out of curiosity haha.
they are crawling all over this platform
Unfortunately, these flat earthers will always find a way to show that your "logic" is wrong. Its really annoying how they basically ice skate from one point to another while ignoring the stuff that completely refutes their ridiculous ideas.
It's pretty fascinating, it's like they have a playbook, and they run through it in every conversation when their absurd claims are refuted/shown to be wrong. In no particular order:
flood the thread with maybe/maybe not related memes
start multiple threads with different questions/answers to existing threads/comments
claim they have 'crunched the numbers' so they know what they're talking about
make multiple other absurd assertions instead of proving the assertion they just got called out on.
claim you haven't done enough research (if you had, you'd know flat earth to be true)
insult your intelligence
call you a sheep for believing everything the gov't tells you
claim you don't have an open mind (because you don't agree with them)
claim they're 'just investigating with an open mind' (because they're not sheep, they're innovative forward thinkers) (as if that somehow makes retarded claims scientifically accurate)
Tell a story that begins with "I used to belive in a round earth but then I.....". (as if that gives credence to the validity of their conclusions)
This is far from the complete list.
Wonderful write-up as always. :)
Haven't seen you in a while. Glad you're back and with more fun, not-flat posts!
Thanks for all the math backing this up too! I am also thankful I haven't encountered all that many flat-earthers yet...
Thank you for this. I have a former co worker that genuinely believes in this flat earth stuff and i never know what to say to his non sense. This has some great points.
Interesting read. I love the mathematical evaluation aspect. Tell them!
glad to see you back and strong :D Better make a second account too so you can reply to comments :P ;)
Awesome job. Shame flat earthers can read either though XD
"But obviously the mountain shows more than 210 feet (64 meters) of elevation! So,should flat earthers do a happy dance and declare victory? Not quite yet. While we cerainly see that there is more than 200 feet of elevation, it certainly isn't 12,000 feet of elevation either, as we should see if the earth were flat. So, what is going on here?"
HMM, so critical of you... How scientific...
why do people keep calling the earth fat? sure it bulges out in the middle but still other planets like Jupiter, Neptune or Urania are much more plump. stop trying to mass shame the planet!
To what do you attribute all the flat horizons in your photos? I'm speaking of the left to right aspect which is not showing the curve. Shouldn't they be bulging up in the middle and going down on each side in the model you believe in?
The answer to your question is in the previous article https://steemit.com/science/@kerriknox/if-we-lived-on-a-sphere-wouldn-t-buildings-appear-to-lean.
How much of a bulge do you think there should be? If you're sure that you should be seeing a bulge in those photos, please provide math and diagrams backing up how much bulge you think there should be.
I'm not sure of anything and just came to this topic recently. I'm just wondering if anyone can ever see the curve. So far I haven't see one in any of the arguments I've been noticing. I look at videos on why the earth is round, but it seems flat in the horizons I see in their videos. Is the left to right curve non-discernible or non-existent?
My question is not the math of why the earth is round, but why no one can ever see the curve. I am frequent flyer, so I started looking for it out the windows and so far it's been flat everywhere even with the bubble windows of airplanes or whatever that argument is.
I'm not "sure" I should be seeing a bulge up in the middle and down on the sides other than that is a view that makes sense to me if I'm looking at a ball and what I see on smaller balls.
Buildings, I think should be below the horizon after a few miles based on the geometry of any ball.
I've asked this question to a few people in probably the last 6 weeks. Do you have any help on a visual level for those of us who aren't into math? Pictures of balls with view lines seem to indicate that we are seeing something different than the model.
"Do you have any help on a visual level for those of us who aren't into math? "
Read through through Kerri's posts. They're very educational, with and without math.
"Buildings, I think should be below the horizon after a few miles based on the geometry of any ball."
You're on a REALLY REALLY big ball.
"Pictures of balls with view lines seem to indicate that we are seeing something different than the model."
Not when you understand the model, which includes that we're on a REALLY REALLY big ball.
"Is the left to right curve non-discernible or non-existent?"
Non-discernible or barely discernible in no way = non-existent. The key here is we're on a really really big ball. Also, there's plenty of pictures showing curve (again, read through Kerri's Everyday Science posts), it seems odd you've never seen one.
As far as the 'out the airplane' view....I've been on planes the last couple weeks and totally didn't even think about looking outside to see curve or not (the mountains and plains were so pretty). I can't remember if I've seen curve or not. I'll have to make a point to do that next time I fly.
I've been using the edge of an airplane magazine up against the windows and it's been flat each time I've looked.
I don't think the size of the ball changes the geometry. I'm pretty sure scaling up does not mean a round ball appears flat.
I have looked back that these posts when I first read this post and it's back to math. I'm just wondering if anyone can ever see the curve. We know the work of the thieves at nasa is all fake, so those mocked up photos don't count.
And my main question stands - why does a long left to right horizon appear flat on a ball? It seems that the horizon should drop off in all 360 degrees, but it's flat in all instead. I can't find the video now, but some guy was out in a boat showing his 360 degree view; not dropping off on any side.
"I don't think the size of the ball changes the geometry."
It doesn't.
"I'm pretty sure scaling up does not mean a round ball appears flat."
Then you drastically misunderstand the scale of the ball you're talking about.
"It seems that the horizon should drop off in all 360 degrees, but it's flat in all instead."
Of course it appears flat. Geez.
"I can't find the video now, but some guy was out in a boat showing his 360 degree view; not dropping off on any side."
Why do you think you would see any 'drop off'. How could you possibly see drop off, ever? All you'll ever see is horizon line.
What kind of flat ball have you got yourself convinced of? I've asked a few people about this since I heard of it, but no one has come up with the idea that you can never see the curve anywhere. That seems preposterous.
If you project your idea out thousands of miles in all directions - you are actually describing the flat earth argument just as they say it.
Perspective. The issue is with perspective.
How do you figure that?
The horizon isn't a flat line, it's a circle. That circle is the edge of a very, very small spherical cap. It should look flat, because even at 30,000 feet it is still just a small spherical cap relative to the scale of the planet.
Awesome post friend.
I like your all content because your content type and quality is so good.
best of luck go ahead friend.
Nice Disinformation post.
So according to you Curvature Actually does exist ? Did you try to ever measure it yourself?
Nice cult talking points, and not discussing the post or giving any reason why it's 'disinfo' except yelling that it is because it doesn't match your newfound cult beliefs.
Yep. I didn't TRY to measure it, I've measured it. It's easy to measure. Take a look at a few of my posts... but you won't. In fact, you won't even try to measure the curvature.. because you know very well it exists and measuring it yourself would destroy your little fantasy!
All you have proven here @kerriknox is that you are a cognitively dissonant, cluelessly-ignorant parrot-sheep in denial of the proven undefeatable truth you fear..
Attention all Globe Earth blind faith belief disciples, defenders & truth-deniers - $10,000 Globe-Earth-Proving Challenge (or any other amount you specify above this minimum amount) which I will personally donate to the charity of your choice - in exchange for the 10 necessarily required globe-earth-proof challenges listed, that all blind faith disciples of the proofless globe-earth blind faith religion will embarrass themselves forever failing to provide the required proofs for https://postimg.cc/qgBxkY9J
Simply provide the 10 necessarily required empirical (observable, testable, repeatable, verifiable by anyone for themsleves) globe earth proofs requested, (not excuses for their absence) which should be the easiest proofs in the world to provide, if the Globe Earth is reality, and easily raise much need funds to support any of the many needy causes worldwide that could do with what should be your so easy to provide donation by providing the empirical proofs requested.
Anyone who accepts this challenge, when they inevitably fail same as all in history before them, must donate the agreed amount instead to myself (David J Caron), which I will then donate to the charity of my choice, . Who has the courage to attempt to prove the globe to support the charity of their choice?
Only those who have the courage to accept this challenge will be guaranteed a reply. Excuses are not proofs. You will all fail..🙃😂
If you can't read the text at the link, click to enlarge.. https://postimg.cc/qgBxkY9J
@kerriknox Thank you for embarrassing yourself to confirm that you do not have the courage to accept my challenge and for proving that you can not provide any of the necessarily required globe-earth proofs requested when challenged to do so in order to donate what should be an easy $10,000 to the needy cause of your choice. Shame on you .
I told u u would embarrass yourself in total failure same as all in history before you. Try and realize why all globetards will forever fail proving the imaginary & the non-existent if you have the courage to accept defeat by the undefeatable truth you fear.. Show your certificate of failure to your children, parents, and friends. Explain to them why you failed to prove your cartoon globe. They will be proud of you.. That should wake you up..