I have to agree with you, this whole shenanigans with smt kills it a bit for me. They should put their efforts into building an already awesome community to higher levels.
There is so much small things that could improve what we do everyday here, I find it sad they put so much energy into something that people don't need...
You bring up some very valid points that brings great value to this discussion. As my understanding of SMTs deepens, I see the incredible value there. I also see the value in continuing to build Steem into what it can and I agree, should become. One thing I've learned in life, is if you try to do too many things at once, they all end up being done half - assed.
Your thoughts carry much weight and I agree that both sides can bring incredible value to the block chain, but it has to be done in a very efficient way that prioritizes what's best for the long term growth of the Steem block chain while also sustaining integrity of the currency/ecosystem.
Have been very positive about the SMT developments, but your insights here make me reconsider.
You are right, the value of any token or currency is determined by investors and what they are willing to pay for it. So yes, without large investors backing a specific SMT, it's indeed like pissing in the wind.
On the other hand, when you do have a big community and lots of capital at your disposal (the NYT example) there is added value for an STM since you can set of parameters differently than here on Steemit. Your settings will impact the extent of a potential troll whale problem.
Believe me you'd need to be a killer salesman to get close to selling the idea of a NYTC to the NYT. The reputational risk, lack of a proven benefit of having your own SMT, the maintenance... the list goes on.
Far easier to sell the idea that they need to have a presence on Steemit because that is where their audience is. Grab the audience and the institutions will follow. It's been that way for a long time now.
Because the investors go where the audience is... which is Ned's main point.
But the reality is:
those big players have many investors that are not really interested in changing anything until their business model is actually threatened.
So how is SMT any different than EOS is my question.
And is SMT a response to it?
EOS is more like an operating system for smart contracts, with blockchain at it's core, and it's really perfect for things like automation of business processes, including robotics, AI, legal and messaging.
I had always assumed, Steem would move over to EOS when available, as it's underlying blockchain ;-) No?
I guess not! (Ethereum envy?)
I think SMT is more of a platform for token sales organized around publishing... but can do more than that.
Agree. Sometimes you need need to try new things and see what sticks. However I'd question throwing a baby in a river before it has learned how to walk, let alone swim!
A solid critical assessment of the challenges and possible fork in the road decision that Steemit faces as it relates to the tokenized incentives initiatives. I tend to lean towards your latter argument that suggests that the large scale platform model is a wiser direction to take from a long-term strategic perspective, as it could mitigate pressures from existing and future competition. Thanks, and please due offer further analysis covering this very interesting topic.
Just wanted to point out a few grammar errors which I noted:
A struggling website owner ** that** (it should be who)thinks that tokenised incentives will turn around it's fortunes is deluded. These website owners should focus on going to where their users are and getting a presence there. Audiences have spoken. They want their content on one platform. Offering a token is don't (should be not) going to change that any time soon.
I agree. These SMTs seems like they were a lot of work when the communities piece is the single thing holding back steem. I used to love steem when it was smaller but now that it's bigger it's too hard to find content I like. I have started using Reddit and medium for the topics I like because both have good ways to narrow out the noise. I rarely use steem anymore when it was my life six months ago. If steem inc had time to do all this surely they could have made communities happen by now.
Sorry to say I agree; people have short attention spans, and even shorter levels of patience for sign ups, filtering and search, sub-communities organized by interest.
The new york times example summed this all up for me but on the other hand looks like the crypto currency market has welcomed it as a huge jump in prices lets see how it goes thanks for the video :)
Yep - the idea certain has caused a bounce in the market. However I try to distinguish market reaction from the viability of the proposition.
Promising the world and 'stalling to deliver' seems to be a good way to pump the crypto market (Still waiting for ETH's PoS and Dash's Evolution). However it's sometimes good to assess the viability and real world use case of the proposition.
It would be good to see what new apps, use cases and business models emerge as a consequence. However I don't see how this will change the fortunes of existing news outlets, forums and social media sites.
Not to mention, how this is a priority over building the core STEEM proposition.
Everything new seems scary at first but maybe with time it will get less scary and we will adopt the idea . As technology advances, future seems a tad bit scary
I have to agree with you. At this point in time, I doubt the implementation of SMTs. There are so many small things that people could still improve which would help to attract new users.
My take on this--> steemit is still experimental. The value is basically riding on crypto wave. I see desperation to generate value by bloggers!!!. Adding money to relationship is not always a good idea. Yelp tried to give money to super users / moderators and found out that people cared about recognition more than money... especially issuing tokens for small time website and hoping that will drive more traffic is worrisome. Not to mention who has the apetite for 1000s of more crypto currencies ....This will not end well.
FolloWeD.hiiii @nanzo-scoop, very informative and helpful article you shared now."smart media token (SMT)" is no doubt nice addition in this field. thanks for update.
I DO AGREE with you! Steem shall concentrate on Social Media, well, to transform itself from a blogging service to a social media service. Leave the tokens to others. Although a lot of potential is there to offer digital loyalty type of services (that is in essence a New York Times token, or Whoppercoin) usinc crypto, STINC shall enable onboarding business to use Steemit as their newest social media channel. It seems STINC wants to create back/back/backend systems and forgetting about what is required to onboard commercial business.
I have to agree with you, this whole shenanigans with smt kills it a bit for me. They should put their efforts into building an already awesome community to higher levels.
There is so much small things that could improve what we do everyday here, I find it sad they put so much energy into something that people don't need...
Yet at least.
You bring up some very valid points that brings great value to this discussion. As my understanding of SMTs deepens, I see the incredible value there. I also see the value in continuing to build Steem into what it can and I agree, should become. One thing I've learned in life, is if you try to do too many things at once, they all end up being done half - assed.
Your thoughts carry much weight and I agree that both sides can bring incredible value to the block chain, but it has to be done in a very efficient way that prioritizes what's best for the long term growth of the Steem block chain while also sustaining integrity of the currency/ecosystem.
Have been very positive about the SMT developments, but your insights here make me reconsider.
You are right, the value of any token or currency is determined by investors and what they are willing to pay for it. So yes, without large investors backing a specific SMT, it's indeed like pissing in the wind.
On the other hand, when you do have a big community and lots of capital at your disposal (the NYT example) there is added value for an STM since you can set of parameters differently than here on Steemit. Your settings will impact the extent of a potential troll whale problem.
Believe me you'd need to be a killer salesman to get close to selling the idea of a NYTC to the NYT. The reputational risk, lack of a proven benefit of having your own SMT, the maintenance... the list goes on.
Far easier to sell the idea that they need to have a presence on Steemit because that is where their audience is. Grab the audience and the institutions will follow. It's been that way for a long time now.
SMT === Pissing in the wind -> For startups
Because the investors go where the audience is... which is Ned's main point.
But the reality is:
those big players have many investors that are not really interested in changing anything until their business model is actually threatened.
So how is SMT any different than EOS is my question.
And is SMT a response to it?
EOS is more like an operating system for smart contracts, with blockchain at it's core, and it's really perfect for things like automation of business processes, including robotics, AI, legal and messaging.
I had always assumed, Steem would move over to EOS when available, as it's underlying blockchain ;-) No?
I guess not! (Ethereum envy?)
I think SMT is more of a platform for token sales organized around publishing... but can do more than that.
A solution, looking for a problem perhaps ;-)
I totally agree. This SMT afraid me cause maybe is too ambicious at the moment.
I admire the ambition. I question the timing and whether it is a priority.
Time will tell. Steemit is still a baby taking his first steps, sometimes they fall and then got up.
Agree. Sometimes you need need to try new things and see what sticks. However I'd question throwing a baby in a river before it has learned how to walk, let alone swim!
Quick sidenote, babies can swim before they can walk. They do it for 9 months before coming into the world ;-)
A solid critical assessment of the challenges and possible fork in the road decision that Steemit faces as it relates to the tokenized incentives initiatives. I tend to lean towards your latter argument that suggests that the large scale platform model is a wiser direction to take from a long-term strategic perspective, as it could mitigate pressures from existing and future competition. Thanks, and please due offer further analysis covering this very interesting topic.
If I get the time, I will.
You got some very solid points. Strong argument.
Just wanted to point out a few grammar errors which I noted:
A struggling website owner ** that** (it should be who)thinks that tokenised incentives will turn around it's fortunes is deluded. These website owners should focus on going to where their users are and getting a presence there. Audiences have spoken. They want their content on one platform. Offering a token is don't (should be not) going to change that any time soon.
Good spots. Thanks - invariably I don't get enough time to proof read my posts as thoroughly as I'd like.
I agree. These SMTs seems like they were a lot of work when the communities piece is the single thing holding back steem. I used to love steem when it was smaller but now that it's bigger it's too hard to find content I like. I have started using Reddit and medium for the topics I like because both have good ways to narrow out the noise. I rarely use steem anymore when it was my life six months ago. If steem inc had time to do all this surely they could have made communities happen by now.
Sorry to say I agree; people have short attention spans, and even shorter levels of patience for sign ups, filtering and search, sub-communities organized by interest.
Good points
The new york times example summed this all up for me but on the other hand looks like the crypto currency market has welcomed it as a huge jump in prices lets see how it goes thanks for the video :)
Yep - the idea certain has caused a bounce in the market. However I try to distinguish market reaction from the viability of the proposition.
Promising the world and 'stalling to deliver' seems to be a good way to pump the crypto market (Still waiting for ETH's PoS and Dash's Evolution). However it's sometimes good to assess the viability and real world use case of the proposition.
It's mostly a big relief for people who want to develop on the platform and have more control.
It would be good to see what new apps, use cases and business models emerge as a consequence. However I don't see how this will change the fortunes of existing news outlets, forums and social media sites.
Not to mention, how this is a priority over building the core STEEM proposition.
I agree.
It's a loss of focus, and INFINITE FEATURE CREEP and that's usually a recipe for failure and being outdone by a faster up and comer.
Everything new seems scary at first but maybe with time it will get less scary and we will adopt the idea . As technology advances, future seems a tad bit scary
you got few points there :)
I have to agree with you. At this point in time, I doubt the implementation of SMTs. There are so many small things that people could still improve which would help to attract new users.
My take on this--> steemit is still experimental. The value is basically riding on crypto wave. I see desperation to generate value by bloggers!!!. Adding money to relationship is not always a good idea. Yelp tried to give money to super users / moderators and found out that people cared about recognition more than money... especially issuing tokens for small time website and hoping that will drive more traffic is worrisome. Not to mention who has the apetite for 1000s of more crypto currencies ....This will not end well.
Nice thoughts ..
Great job bro.i resteem this post.i hope this post will be in hot list.best of luck
The future of the steemit and I make my efforts to develop
Because the future is here
good job nice post
Nice info, listening to you right now. :) Can we invest in this token?
Which token? This is a development whereby users can build their own SMT on the STEEM blockchain.
A logical point of view is important
I concur! Nice one 👍
I started following you a week ago.
All your publications are wonderful and useful.
Thank you
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STOPYeah, I had very similar opinions about this.
The future is expected because of SMT.
I DO AGREE with you! Steem shall concentrate on Social Media, well, to transform itself from a blogging service to a social media service. Leave the tokens to others. Although a lot of potential is there to offer digital loyalty type of services (that is in essence a New York Times token, or Whoppercoin) usinc crypto, STINC shall enable onboarding business to use Steemit as their newest social media channel. It seems STINC wants to create back/back/backend systems and forgetting about what is required to onboard commercial business.
Another great explenation!