But I bet you'll never be able to answer the question of who / what created the creator, will ya! ;)
Without invoking black magic, that is. And circular arguments. I think we should just stick with what we know / can prove. The universe cycles between big bangs and big crunches indefinitely. It has always been and always will be. If you need a metaphor for this thing we can't completely comprehend, by all means call it god, but accept that it's just a metaphor. And keep a lid on the rest of this 'religious' nonsense? (Unless you're intending on feats of mind control.)
There is zero evidence in the universe that some sort of 'creator' started it all off. None whatsoever. And claiming things that you don't understand to be 'evidence' for the very fact that you don't understand them is an extremely weak argument, indeed.
Our universe is predicated on the principle of cause and effect. That's how it works with time. In a universe where there is time, a creator does need a creator. But if a creator is the one that spoke space and TIME into existence, the cause and effect as well as the need for a creator would no longer apply to said creator.
It's nonsense to say that there was no cause of the universe, that it just is.
It's CRAZIER nonsense to say that nothing created the creator, that he just is. But you're okay with that, aren't you? SMFH
Now, if your 'creator' is just a metaphor for the universe, the unknown, infinity, eternity, love, hope, orgasm and a few other goodies, we could be getting somewhere...
I agree with @silverfortune . The craziest of all is your inability to see that there isn't a creator (with all due respect. I'm not trying to start a fight here, just getting my point across).
You claim that the world "just is", while telling @silverfortune that God cannot "just be". Matter didn't come from nothing. It came from something: God.
Now, with me being a firm believer in God, does that mean I have to reject science? Non-sense!
God and science go hand-in-hand. e.g. God created Earth, USING the Big Bang.
Now, I'm shaking my head!
The saddest part of it all imho is your inability to realise you've been poisoned. With all due respect - I'm just trying to administer the antidote to someone who has it real bad.
You shake your head some more. Shake some sense into it, even? Your view is as ridiculous as any atheist's, more so even.
"Matter didn't come from nothing. It came from something: God."
Where's your proof to the above nonsense? Matter can't come from nothing but your god certainly did? (which you're obviously happy enough to accept).
Which god is it that you believe in anyway? (I hear you're only allowed to believe in the one 'for there is only one true god' pmsl and last I heard there were over 10,000 gods being 'worshipped' by some knuckledragger somewhere or other).
Isn't this a science discussion? Why the fuck are we discussing fairy-tales on this page?
I don't need to hear any more nonsense on this subject thanks. If you need to brainwash people, find another victim. Happy holidays.