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RE: Democratizing Steem!

in #steem5 years ago

If he splits it into 2x10 votes, each of these votes is worth only half. (Yes it is still worth a lot, but only worth half than what it'd be if he hadn't split it)

He splits it in 3, and he will have exactly the same amount of vests to vote in proportion to everyone else exactly like before, because his stake did not grow or shrink in proportion to everyone else, so yes he will split it and yes it will still have the extact same % of mv over the top 30 as before.

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Okay, let's take an example, an easy one.
Let' s suppose user A has 120mv, and user B has 61mv.

Let's say, there are only user A and user B in the network.

In the situation of 30 witness votes: User A will define ALL 30 top witnesses. And user B has no say at all. User B can only change the order of the top 30, but can't vote his own candidate into the top 30.

In the situation of 10 witness votes:

Two Situations:
User A will either define ALL top 10 witnesses (if he doesn't split his stake) and User B votes the remaining 10.

User A splits his stake to vote ALL top 20 witnesses. But now, user B doesn't split his stake and now has enough stake to vote his 10 people in the top 10.
(61 > 60)

Of course, people will always try to maximize the system. But the entire point of this system is to make sure, that the top stake holders don't have as much influence on the top 20 witnesses.

Especially since witnesses 1-20 have the power to make all the decisions in relation to hard forks etc.
With >= 20 votes, pumpkin has an enormous influence in this. If we reduce this to <= 10, this helps a lot.

I'm not talking about saving the world, but I'm talking about decentralizing the election. And reducing the number of votes, certainly does that.

And I agree, this can be further reduced, to 5,3,1. But I think 10 is a good number. 10 allows people to select a number of witnesses which represent them well and they think represent Steem well while not giving anyone enough power to have such a huge influence in selecting ALL top 20 witnesses basically alone.

Yeah, exactly, the intend is to centralize the system. Definitely. That's what Blockchain is about. Allowing huge stakeholders to control all the witnesses, that's not absolutely the reason why DPoS is so widely criticized. I don't want one person one vote, I want 10 votes. I stated that pretty clearly.

And no, I don't think it will result in splitting up stake. I don't think Pumpkin would split up his stake for this, nor do I think blocktrades would.

You're confusing concentration of wealth with centralization. Concentration is not centralization.

Of course this is centralization, centralization is having very few people having a lot of power over the system.
If that is a large stakeholder via a consensus node (PoS), a large stakeholder voting "his kind" into power (DPoS) or a large mining pool (PoW). All of these things undermine the principle of decentralization.

And as I mentioned PoW, all types of blockchain have similar issues.

If you'd read the literature, you'd know that all these blockchains are heavily criticized for these points. Because all of these blockchain allege decentralization, but in practice it's more a buzzword than real decentralization. (Minings pools, monopolization, etc)

And as I said, I trust a big pool of large stakeholders -> Yes
I trust 1-2 stakeholders -> No.

It is called single point of failure.

And I don't trust a single point of failure, if its a stakeholder or not.