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RE: Voting Abuse and Ineffective Curation: A proposal for blockchain-level change

in #steem7 years ago

do you REALLY think there are actual curators?
95% of all voting is by bots.
on my post I'm lucky to get 30% views compared to the number of votes.

the solution to the pollution is to ban all vote bots.

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I honestly don't trust the view count much, I think it's just wrong, numbers always seem too low to me.

There are real curators, I'm sure of that, but we'd get a lot more manual curators if they didn't tend to get rewarded better adding their SP to a curation bot. Just the 30 minute delay alone will lead a lot of users to think that bot curator rewards are better, because the bot will tend to wait till near the end of the 30 minutes and the guy testing against his own curation won't realize he's been throwing away his curation rewards.

your milage may vary.
from what I can tell the view count MIGHT overstate reality.
based on comments.

I read a lot of posts that I don't comment on, regardless of whether I like them or not, and I guess a lot of people are probably the same way. An upvote is easy: writing a thoughtful comment beyond "good post" can sometimes be mentally taxing, especially if you're an introvert like me. And, I rarely feel compelled to comment on a post I don't like, unless I really don't like it a lot.

I agree with this entirely! If I don't have anything to say, specific to the content, I will happily upvote or not and move on.

View count is only on Steemit. There are other platforms that you can view posts on.

what are the percentages?

I think no one knows.

yeah, I don't know. I'm sure I saw someone a few weeks back that had statistics about relative use of the different platforms. Can't remember who it was or how they worked it out. Initial posts, at least, store the platform it was posted from in the json metadata.

So I guess that answers the question about tying the vote count to the page view. Only votes done on steemit then would count. Bummer, I thought it was a good defeat the bots idea.

That was probably me. You can get it from the json metadata or the beneficiaries payment field.

Totally true! And if that is not fixed is because somebody is getting benefit of that in some way. So much have been done and that little details could make a great difference.

They'll still be rewarded better by bots.

Exactly @everittdmickey. Thats the simple solution to a complex problem. Let's relate with one another as humans again. Voting bots should be gone except those that have been proven to bring value to the steem economy eg @utopian-io. Thanks!

You can't selectively ban bots though. What's the criteria if you do that? And who is the judge of what is a good voting bot and what is a bad voting bot? In a "decentralized" platform, where we can't even get the top 20 witnesses on the same version, what is an easily agreeable set of rules to become a "good" bot?

Even if we were able to ban bots entirely, there would be a next thing that defeats the intent, and a next thing after that. People are always willing to work their asses off not to have to work. It's really strange. Of all the crap posts out there, if the people doing them would take the time to create actual useful content, they might find it less work than screwing the system.

VOTING bots...all bad. Only people should vote.

"People are always willing to work their asses off not to have to work. It's really strange."

LEL

I'm so lazy I work my ass off just to get some rest =p

Utopian is not a voting bot. It votes only on varified posts.

Even if it only votes on verified posts, it's voting.

I agree and support your words....bots are the real cause...and my second strong argument is that STEEMIT is a social platform then how can emotionless bot be part of it

You'd ideally use the bot to pick out posts that have certain minimum requirements set by the curator and formulate a list of them.

This is how I find new content.

Throw code at a SQL server to list potential goodies, then go manual and use my eyes n stuff.

right.
in an ideal Steemit..the way it was intended
(based upon the white paper and stuff)
one person...one account.
people read, curate, and maybe vote ..no bots

I agree with you...Many mafias and interests will be affected !!

I agree... ban all bots. All regulators should be coming from developers. Bots have no place to real social media platform

I'm a manual curator!

The ONLY kind.
all else is plastic.

How can bots be banned?

I can only think of ways to create disincentives.

apparently they can NOT be banned. Not with out a complete overhaul of the blockchain code.
That might very well do a LOT more harm than good.
Unforeseen consequences is a bitch