Didn't flag your comment to zero at all.
Sorry if I missed your small unintelligible "planning on locking it off for 5 days" in this giant rant about my self-voting.
Also removed my flag on your "community service" when I saw you message. It looked like just bot announcement posts.
BTW, At the price I paid for my STEEM, You'll have a hard time making me feel bad for self-voting in that giant shitshow that is Steem right now.
I will stand by my former comments that I think @grumpycat is taking a good first step to reduce botting on the site, as I have just posted elsewhere Bots are FORBIDDEN under the terms of service, something everyone conveniently likes to overlook. Self upvoting is NOT forbidden, obviously.
Terms of Service for steemit:
From the Terms of Service:
{ 17. User Conducthttps://steemit.com/tos.html
17.1. When accessing or using the Services, you agree that you will not commit any unlawful act, and that you are solely responsible for your conduct while using our Services. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that you will not:
..........
17.1.3. Use any robot, spider, crawler, scraper or other automated means or interface not provided by us to access our Services or to extract data; }
When you are buying the use of an upvoting service, you are [USING] a [ROBOT] to [ACCESS] the [SERVICES].
Wrong. I'll let imlikett edumucate (sic) you.
This is false, and misunderstood. You are not using a bot, you are simply telling a bot to go to your post and upvote. The bot is an account made just like anyone else. It's the same as giving your friend who has a steemit account money, to upvote you.
You are not using it to access anything. Again, you are accessing steem through your own account. Not accessing it through a bot.
You are also not extracting data in anyway.
The bots are based on the steemit account and blockchain, which is provided by steemit.
You are hiring the services of a bot. This is, effectively, using a bot. It is NOT the same as paying a friend, because it is a bot. The bot is accessing the Services of the steem blockchain by automatically upvoting. Upvoting is a Service provided. The automated means of automatically upvoting for money has NOT been provided by steemit.com.
Plain and simple: you are using an automated means, not provided by steemit.com, to game the system and drain the reward pool when you are using a upvote bot.
Or, maybe you think that paying $2500 to promote a crappy article and game $5000 is what steem was designed for?
Bot services are the opposite of the 'proof-of brains' concept, which is supposed to be the core of this whole thing... so where exactly does paying for automated promotion fit into this equation?
If you have an issue with votes happening up to day seven after a post is published, why not take it up with Steemit Inc and the Witnesses? You are not addressing the root cause of this problem by self-policing the platform.
The root cause is the platform itself. Some of the rules by which it is operating clearly represent fatal flaws to the long term viability of the steem blockchain, as users such as yourself are pointing out. The rules thus need to be changed and applied equitably to all users.
And who makes the rules? Not the users. It's Steemit Inc. You cannot possibly expect to meaningfully address this issue unless it's tackled from the top down.
Voting services and users that use them are not the issue. They're just playing the game that has been fostered by the very framework of Steemit. It's the deficiencies of that framework which you should be rebuking.
From what I've seen, most of the witnesses and people that can do something about this are completely ignoring the problem. I've been doing some reading myself and it seems that some of the biggest whales have already given up on this platform
Is Steemit in a state of implosion? Isn't @dan one of the big guys around here?
A response to Dan Larimer left STEEMIT because it was unfixable
This is all starting to look worse and worse by the minute, but then I see @grumpycat trying to do something about it.
As a newcomer, I am pretty disgusted with the botting that goes on in this platform. It makes me think that if I don't invest 20 SBD in an upvoting service just so that I can get 25 SBD in return in upvotes I will never make it on this platform.
These upvote bot services don't create or add any value to steemit. In my opinion, it creates an illusion of value. False value. It's not real value because the creator tricked you by giving himself a large upvote. It is deceitful, in my opinion, when it comes to any business.
He will take down the whole platform if he has to, and I don't necessarily disagree with him. These bots are creating false value in every post they upvote. I thought there was more manual curation going on, but clearly there isn't
Lol, he's doing something alright. Self-voting $10,000s a day on pure spam sock puppets:
Yes, @grumpycat has been doing that for so long we've all lost count right? Or is it someone else abusing rewards every single day? Pretty sure @grumpycat did this to prove a point. Yes, many different ways to prove a point. He could have even declined payout, but again, between this and all the abuse, everyone is making less except those controlling the rewards pool.
Seems that there is a fine line between abuse and non-abuse and nobody quite agrees on what should or shouldn't be considered abuse.
everyone else is treating this place like a playground. The money that gets thrown away....And no I don't agree with @grumpycat doing this... but
So if everyone wants to be kids about it, well here we are. This is what happens when you let children play with money
Thanks for pointing me to Dan's post. That is a bold statement from him. First time that I ever saw it. I suppose he has come to the realization that the market system is not being applied within Steemit. After all, what we're seeing with rampant voting abuse by whales and their associates is antithetical to the definition of how an efficient market is supposed to operate, as noted in the Steem White Paper itself: "The market system rewards those who provide value to others and punishes those who consume more value than they produce." The latter is far more prevalent on Steemit than the former is, that's for sure.
absolutely. There are a lot of people consuming more value than they produce.
There is no need for grumpycat to act like this. He could have just talked to the bot owners or handled it in 100 different way. Not all is as it seems. sometimes people profit by being false heros.
You flagged it from $12 to 0.22 (at the time of your flag), at that point I thought there was some reasoning with you as you didn't nuke it to sub $0. Then you upvote your comment "Fixed" to $140 (one of the flags still took $40 of our curation posts, I suspect it was too old at the time you got to it, not sure) I decided you are going to do what you want to do.
I was the first and one of the few (only one other responded) to respond to your initial post. I got upvotes from many of the bot owners which you then downvoted.
I appreciated that, and so did my curators, it's hard enough time supporting curation without whales backing. We spend a crap ton of time digging through garbage to find good posts to promote.
That I have nothing to say to, I posted earlier I am very conflicted about self-voting. While I am starting to come to the terms of "it's your stake to use as you want" I still have the clause of "within reason when it doesn't dramatically affect the community". Upvoting pointless comments to the maximum financial efficiency then demanding everyone to follow your new rule while flagging innocents does not make you look like a reward pool savior you claim to be.
I'm all for stopping the garbage on Steem, I spend a lot of time trying with no success. 3.5 days max age as compared to 5 days isn't going to magically clean up Steem, especially when no one wants to do it.
Flagging of innocents is the main problem here. It's like: the government is not listening so I will kill innocent bystanders who are using the government's services for the government to take notice. Isn't that terrorism?
What have those innocent people done except use services to help themselves live better lives? And not on 6 days old posts, but post not older than a few hours! Why would you downvote them?
I am scared to use any bots as of now coz I can't afford a downvote. The SBD I earn pay my rent, they buy groceries, they help me pay for my 4 year old's daycare fees so that the mother and I can earn enough to provide him with a good sustainable life!
Downvoting honest, good and Innocent posts to make your point is not the way to go about it.
Like someone said here, tackle the root of the problem, please. Have a dialogue with Steemit Inc, with all bot owners and come to a common agreeable solution.
A humble request 🙏🏼✨
#nailedit
Still, you're the grumpiest.