New users have a hard time getting noticed.
Welcome to reality!
Probably new users need to understand that this place was not created to make quick money but to create value.
The fact that a steemit user may eventually get rewarded monetarily for that value is a great plus (an extra), but it should never be the main and initial driver. Ask authors how long it took them to publish their first book in the markets.
Nothing worth ever comes easy.
Vote buying is completely counterproductive to organic and healthy growth. It won't ever be able to really satisfy the demand of longlasting visibility, attention and brand recognition.
What about trying to earn attention instead of purchasing it?
Now there will be people trying to sell me that life was easier on steemit back in summer 2016 when some of us older users joined the platform. But I tell you something: that's not true. The only thing that was different back then was the mind-set. What people have forgotton in the meantime is that this is a 'social network' and not a money printing mashine. Instead of being constantly complaining about missing rewards, people may think about what they may contribute to this platform first.
That re in RE-ward has a meaning.
When they finally understand that 90% of the people who are listed on the trending page and receive some decent rewards, have invested LOTS of money and time and dedication in this platform for months, and that many of them are building real projects on the Steem blockchain, then they might eventually stop complaining and start working instead.
Sorry for the long text! It's just that I can't here the whinging anymore.
Steem on
Voila! Once again I do agree with you.
Oh well, I started June 2016 and got 0.40 cents on my first article..
It took me 12008 posts to get my attention ( by some) . Count the hours ......
Its hard but fun " work".
I said it before, I tried those services but gave up on them.
Nicely said, @mammasitta. We've got 'the best job in the world', don't we? :-)
I enjoy every second so far! It’s actually quite insane how much I have learnt this past year and some of my friends call me “nuts”. Oh wellllllll 😝
You are really a hardworker then. Good for you. Inspired
In recent times it’s getting more and more difficult and frustrating to see how things are rewarded. I am running out of Voting Power way too fast and I am not a so called “small talker”, especially not with a few powerful “whales” who mostly care for their own profits and how to get them. I am disgusted how some “play” the community and My eyes can still see “reality”.
No place is perfect but I like the honest!!! people I met.
That’s why I am still here!
Thanks to you and other writers, steemit is still going on. If steemit had depended on google or other ad networks, this site would have folded up long ago. Self promotion is very much frowned upon. If the whales only cared or maybe found a bot to reward quality, then steemit would have really grown to greater heights.
Usually I agree with most you say and write - I certainly do NOT agree with 90% (pre booster time) of listed on the trending really create value. We could then probably start a different discussion to define what is value :-)?
Also the soon-to-start war is as far as I understand not about the concept of vote buying which I personally see as more transparent and honest versus the behind the curtain circle jerk agreements in place - but that is life, relationships count which is not bad per se - it is just reality. It happens everywhere not only on steemit or online - no whining on it.
Just wanted to outline my thinking - which will not change anything. We need to accept how it is or work on improving it the way the individual thinks by themselves. Some suggestions to change with a new HF I have seen already yesterday on the Roadmap 2018 posts which might help Steemit on a long-termed basis (kudos to @ats-david and @jesta) like:
Source suggestions by @ats-david below:
https://steemit.com/roadmap2018/@steemitblog/steemit-roadmap-2018-community-input-requested#@ats-david/re-steemitblog-steemit-roadmap-2018-community-input-requested-20171116t213306723z
Change the voting algorithm from full linear to anything but full linear. This has been an abject failure in practice and ought to be rolled back. Then we can discuss a better alternative that is neither n2 nor n.
Restore the 40-vote target.
Remove the STEEM Power delegation function. It not only reduces user demand for STEEM on the open markets, but it has also created another avenue for widespread mismanagement and abuse/exploitation of the collective and limited reward pool.
Reintroduce stronger bandwidth limitations. The amount of spam on the network via posts, comments, and wallet transfers/memos from new accounts is very high and is greatly inflating the daily "transaction" numbers for the blockchain. This is "bloat" that can be easily managed. Those who wish to spam can spend money on STEEM, if they so choose.
Consider reintroducing the four-post reward limits. This has no impact on the number of posts that one may publish in a given day. It only affects the total number of rewards that one user can receive from the limited collective reward pool.
Source last 2 by @jesta:
https://steemit.com/roadmap2018/@steemitblog/steemit-roadmap-2018-community-input-requested#@jesta/re-steemitblog-steemit-roadmap-2018-community-input-requested-20171116t191410456z
Beneficiaries Payouts: Currently beneficiary rewards only pay out in SP. These rewards should pay out in whatever method the author of the post chooses (50/50 SBD/SP or 100% SP).
User/platform configurable rewards distribution: The hardcoded 75%/25% Author/Curators split is something I'd like to see customizable. This ratio should be configurable within the comment_options operation and support between 0/100 and 100/0 ratios. Each Steem powered website could either set this ratio at the platform level or surface the choice to the end user via the interface. Different types of content deserve different types of rewards and by allowing this option to be configurable, it opens Steem up to different opportunities.
I think it's totally OK that we don't fully agree on anything :-)
Question: how would any of these suggestions you've just listed improve the visibility of a brandnew user? I thought we were talking about a minnow problem, but voting algorithm, post limits or payout shares are not really effecting someone who has a reputation of 25+ and wants to grow.
Instead of trying to rearrange the rewards distribution, we probably should rather think about a bigger picture: how to make time spent on steemit valuable?
Sorry, the suggestions I listed are top ones to make Steemit a fairer platform not necessarily improve visibility of brand new users.
My entire comment was more related to your point of creating value which could be discussed for months. I think this is based on the perception of users what they see as a value. We only talk about what creates Value for Steemit, usually what users see as value. This does not necessarily mean it creates any Value for Steem as a currency, different things.
Before I start to elaborate for hours why I do not see value in particular posts let us maybe agree that it requires some open discussion, nowadays we have black or white thinking mainly and wars are never good, flagging of scammer shit is NEEDED, therefore I fully support some Flags when it helps the community.
I remember when I was a young user here and tried to moderate between some powerful whales to stop flagging each other - was a shit idea. I learned that you should rather be silent here before they flag the shit out of you, only sometimes I come to comment my thoughts. Back to work now - need to create value for my customers now.
YES. Agreed :-)
Sorry if you feel that my post was whining. That was certainly not the intention.
I agree with you that providing value is important. I don't agree that visibility is good. There are many opportunities for improvement and while we should not give everyone a cookie, currently the cookies are distributed pretty badly. And I don't think that that is an unpopular opinion 😉
I wasn't talking about your post. I was talking about a general mind-set.
I didn't say that. I only said that it doesn't come for free.
Everybody who wants a piece from the cookie as you named it, should do something to earn it.
In the past I have done lots of video tutorials and even given personal trainings to new users on steemit. Some of them are really on fire and want to learn, others don't. The first group is the one that's going to succeed here.
Don't take everything personally btw :-)
No worries, I don't :)
Yeah, I agree that you should work to get rewards. My issue is with those that work and get no rewards. But that os my opinion.
Generally, we as a community should start finding consensus. It should not be the decision of a few.