I have been on the Steem platform for 2.5 years now and one thing has remained constant, people complain that whales don't give them enough votes. They also complain that whales don't do enough to clean up the ecosystem and they feel justified in this position because, "they have the most to lose by not supporting the community". No, they don't have the most to lose even though ON STEEM they might lose the most value if there is failure. Most of the whales I know are going to be fine regardless of what happens to Steem.
But, once there is a proposal that pushes taking care of the ecosystem to the majority of users, the community itself, people start saying "what about the toxicity? We can't downvote, what about retaliation?"
Toxicity? Retaliation? Lol. You seem unfamiliar - Welcome to the internet.
This is the problem because while people expect others to provide for them, when it comes to taking an active role and the responsibility for the environment in which they live, most find a thousand and one excuses why it isn't their job.
If it is not your job - Why the fuck do you expect to get paid for it? Oh right - because your content is in such high demand that it deserves value... lols.
You know why Facebook likes your content so much? They don't. They do not give a rats arse what you post there as long as it doesn't encroach on their advertising revenue model. What they do care about is how much shit they can push through your network to support their advertisers and paid social engineering mechanisms. You think your data is worth something? Cute.
Your data is worth nothing to them, it is the data they can push to you and through you to make you buy, and your friends to buy that has value - you ain't shit to them and never will be. Just a number somewhere in an algorithm that leverages you and your economic value to enable their advertisers and allies to benefit by manipulating your actions. And if you do happen to be monetized, you are their bitch. You own nothing, they own you.
People don't get it. Those influencers earning aren't there to just push products for sale, they are there to attract others to try and do the same. While they have 100 Million followers, there are thousands like them pushing the same shit in the same way with 100,000, 10,000, 1000, 100 followers. And, they all follow each other in a mass circlejerk they don't know they are in and don't benefit from - all they do is increase visibility and instances of whatever shit they are hawking this year, month, week, day.
Some people benefit of course - They are called stakeholders. Holders of Stake. Familiar term? Do you own any of Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, Twitch, Snapchat? Oh... you don't own shit?
That is okay because you don't really have to do anything there except post and market yourself the best you can - you don't even have to get paid. They do all the hard work, they do all the cleaning, they take care of the ecosystem and the environment themselves because it is their job - and they fucking well get paid amazingly for it. Imagine if they took the algorithms away, turned the spam filters off?
How many "hot girls" want to friend you on Facebook? How many hot girls want to be your friend in real life? Go take a look in the mirror and estimate the calculations. How many spam bot comments are you going to get on Instagram? What happens to the conversations on Twitter? You think that feed is unfiltered? Are you fucking kidding me?
Ah, but on Steem you are worried about your "earnings" on your post so don't want to risk upsetting the status quo to try and improve the system - while still hoping for a fat-fingered whale to accidentally upvote your post. The whales I do know aren't fat, nor do they do much accidentally. For the most part, they do the best they can to both help the system and lower the risk of their own failure - while they will be okay in failure, they aren't retarded enough to aim for it.
Ironically, aiming to fail and getting it is actually success.
I will let you in on a secret, if all the whales went out and upvoted everyone's posts the best they could, price would sink like a rock because most of the content on this platform is shit and most people would take whatever they do get and sell it for whatever they can because, easy come, easy go. You know how many have bought in? Nowhere near as many who expect 25-odd whales to upvote everyone on the platform.
When people will have the responsibility to clean up their environment, I suspect it will be much like the global environment. People aren't going to pick up shit. However, those who are staked, those who do recognize that their value is tied to keeping a healthy ecosystem . they are going to let those 2.5x downvotes fly and I hope they land all over the fucking place. I also hope that those same people are going to use their 10x upvotes on content that they enjoy and think adds value. Not shit. If you produce shit - good luck to you. You can produce shit anywhere.
The toxicity on Steem isn't through downvotes, it is through an unwillingness to do the dirty work to clean it up.
Personally, I know there is a community here I can rely on -
and it doesn't include everyone on Steem.
You might enjoy living in your own filth, you might enjoy the ghettos, the spam, the scam that is fine. I don't have to reward you for it, nor do I have to let the resources I own stake in flow to it. The pool isn't public, it is stakeholder allocated - no stake, no claim. You want a piece of it, convince those with stake to give you some or, buy in and power the fuck up and own some yourself.
Taraz
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My eyeballs are lying back on the pillow and lightning up a cigarette.
Had to take a really quick deep breath to not burst out laughing as not everyone around me right now is used to my random manic cackling at nothing obvious.
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Been a while, I wouldn't mind a smoke.
when i read some peoples comments regarding whales, i'm thinking well you go buy a couple hundred thousand steem and lets see what you do. :)
Most wouldn't know what to do with it if they had it. It is easy to judge the players on the field from the peanut gallery.
lol. This made me laugh. And thank you for the recommendation, it was my first.
Costa Rica has decent coffee.
I want to try cold press/French press. I've heard its next level.
sounds good to me.
Is this part of a welcoming speech to help leverage any potential new users into the steemit ecosystem?
(similar to 'if you don't like it, fuck off'.)
But running off prolific content producers (sgt report) through down voting is somehow a good thing?
....is 1/2 a million you tube subscribers good enough to qualify as 'quality'???
...without supported/ing content producers -it's just another crypto owned by a very small amount of big stakeholders.
Cool investment opportunity? ....Yeah, right...
https://steemit.com/blog/@lucylin/4-strikes-and-i-m-out-there-are-no-coincidences
.....is that it?
no sounds of any coffee percolating yet?
An old timer...
https://steemit.com/steem/@schattenjaeger/outside-of-speculation-why-should-someone-buy-steem-today
More profanity that usual means your in grumpy bear mode.. or have read something that's put you there.
I had a hot girl wanting to be my FB friend only yesterday... that's despite my profile picture looking like this...
My wife is part bear if you didn't know... ;)
😂
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:) I don't visit Facebook anymore, too many hot girl requests. I wonder if the women get "hot guy" requests? Seems to really only work one way.
@waleedtee @dkkarolien @bitcoinflood @freddio
https://steemit.com/snax/@tarazkp/everyone-loves-free-snax
Thank you!
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No worries mate.
I know you're combating a sense of entitlement and hence the tone.
I think EIP is aiming at less but better content. Better as in having a better chance of drawing eyeballs from outside Steem. Another view is that Steem should be developed as more of a social network, in which case quantity is desired.
Not necessarily. There is nothing much really stopping quantity here, other than the expectation that it gets rewarded. Take away the expectation of reward and there is plenty of room for quantity. Just like everywhere else in the world, those who have stake or are able to attract value to them from those who are willing to provide value, will be the ones who earn.
As a platform for sharing what I had for dinner or other everyday life events Facebook totally rocks compared to Steem if there is zero possibility of reward. That's because nearly everyone I know is on Facebook already. If I want to, I can shoot shit with my old friends or connect with relatives there. Facebook also has an UI superior to what any Steem front end has so far.
I'm on Steem because Steem allows me to monetize my photography hobby to an extent would be unlikely to happen on any other platform. Also, there are many people on Steem who are into crypto and have knowledge of it. STEEM is a cryptocurrency and I love stacking it up. If all the rewards went to professional quality content creators or stakeholders at the large Orca/Whale level, I'd spend a lot less time here. I'd delegate to projects and only occasionally drop in to check what was going on.
The user base is a valuable resource to all projects because we're the people who love to jump at every opportunity to test something new. But the thing with the user base is that it is not really a community, at least not for the most part. It's too large and too diverse. The people I interact with here are mostly strangers. I don't mind having conversations with strangers but the fact is that I can find strangers anywhere. I have only a handful of people here with whom I can say I have made a personal connection with. What's keeping the user base together is really the monetary incentives. Steem has a long way to go before real social networks can form on it.
Then you produce it in a way that people are willing to monetize it. You can also buy stake and stake up what you earn to earn also, something still not possible on Facebook.
The benefit of owning stake is choosing what gets rewarded. Those with a massive amount of stake might reward professional creators more than people posting their lunch. Those who own stake to reward stuff they like will spread it to others also.
It is many communities and if one is looking for their community to get supported, they have to get their community to stake.
No problem with this, except when people only expect others to provide it. That is fine too but those without stake that are earning will have to eventually recognize that they have chosen to be governed and the decisions made, they must live by.
#cosign
If the whales aren't buying what we are selling...
who's fault is that again?
Had to resteem the OP because this is about as close as you'll ever get to a rage blackout :D
I like when you say it how it is and the direct route. Not sure what got you going, but I feel the same way some days when I see the bitching and moaning. Some just expect and feel entitled for rewards and I have no idea why.
Entitlement is the word of the day.
It’s a bit early for a rant, no, Taraz? Who cares, you hit the nail right on the head. There’s little to no use shilling an over-saturated, under compensated setup that benefits people you don’t even know so you can copy the next big image in front of you. Quit with the idolizing and make yourself an idol, worth the limelight. Either that or shut up. It’s about time people who earned it, got it, and everybody else to sit back and enjoy the show.
The problem is, people think that the work they do has value, even though no one else agrees. Personal value doesn't require a vote.
The only way to beat the whale is to become the whale ;)
Clear your mind and Become the whale.
¡Coño! finally, a post in fucking vernacular Aussie slang that I can understand and relate on pretty well.
Now I have a dilemma. Because I'm not sure if you would be okey with me resteeming this post. But nonetheless, well done mate! I'm looking forward for the next ones. :)
There is something in the spelling that makes it worse :D
Worse = utmost legibility!! :D
But, the hot girls... They really do want to be my friend... Don't they?
After a long, hard look in the mirror - I think they want to be my friend.
HAHAHA!! Oh yes indeed!!
I couldn't agree more, It's many peoples selfish expectations that create disappointment. Sadly many people come in expecting to make a quick buck with little effort and that's all. They will be the people who complain and whine and they will also be the people that miss out on one of the greatest things I have personally been gifted on the platform.... true friendships.
In time, it won't matter much about what kind of content is here other than, those that get support will earn, those that don't won't. Those with stake will always have options.
My goodness, where did this come from? I mean you were certainly on fire and as much as I'll like to argue some people's case no point but to just point out that you're right really. Sometimes I think we crave to have too much only forgotting we gave Facebook everything and got nothing.
Many like to look at the exceptions, the problem is the mass are average. Facebook know it, Youtube know it. The only people who don't seem to recognize it are those who avoid mirrors.
Not a single lie in this entire write up, I hear people say steem is sunk and their major reason for talking that way is because according to them steem hasn't crossed $0.5 in the last year, but the truth is, those who came to stay for the community are still here and doing their bit.
Does it mean they wouldn't mind a whale blowing then a kiss? Definitely not, they'll appreciate it but it's just not the upvotes that keep them.
Community building is a combined effort and everyone has a part to play.
Let the blame game stop.✊
Unless you disagree with the powers that be - and then your account is destroyed.
Community?
Communist, more like.
Communists?
Why so?
Everything is the "communists" with this one.... Oh, and "the powers that be".
Taraz... don't turn around right now.. but... there's a globalist commie right behind you.
This is why when in public, I keep my back to the walls.
'with this one'?
(your passive aggression is something that needs to be highlighted, I think)
You are the one who's been talking about the 'the steemit collective', diversity is strength_', and a border less world. (that's one world government and communism for anyone reading)
Pot an kettle, anyone?
Alinsky's 'rules for radicals', anyone? lmao
!popcorn
Where's my popcorn?? :D
Since bots are broken like the price, here you go
Gracias amigo. :)
Holy hell man! I read this and then reread it with the rocky theme song playing in the background, then I rereread it with this song playing
I put the phone and a mirror on the floor and did 77 push-ups, no fork that !!! I got on my knees and did 777 push-ups and did not tweet about it or tag Nathan for an upvote.
I've already started flagging traf I mean he is a nice guy and all but funk it, I'm sticking my toe in the flaggy pool and the water is nice. I figure if I get retaliated against well, who gives a shit first and second it's not going to change my baller living in abundance lifestyle. Not to mention, there's a handful of folks that I think respect me and might join in the flag fun.. Now I'm not going to be a martyr and flag more vindictive accounts but I will if others will.
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I hope @trafalgar starts flagging the shit in trending if the EIP goes through. Won't really know til it does though. If those with stake (all with stake) start acting like they own the place, the place will be healthier.
Yea I’ve been privi’ed to see many of his off chain discussions as well as on chain of course and I would like to believe he sincerely desires to create a less toxic ecosystem.
But, yes we can’t know for sure until it all goes down. And ALL stakers need to be shakers and rock this boat hard if it goes through. I’m still not totally convinced there will be a majority at first but in time it’s probably coming once some witnesses get shuffled or “convinced” by the old greasy wheel if need be.
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Oh yeah! I can't wait to see him and all his alts fulfilling his promise flagging and shaking the shit out of these fuckers in the trending page if the EIP goes through.
Shit! I almost can witness right now the fierce wrath of his flags!! ;p
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Please excuse the somewhat spam giffing, but this expresses my thoughts the best, as expressing thoughts in word form would merely be a reiteration of everything you just said. Thanks for keeping shit real. We don't live in a fairy tale world where riches come easy, and so many are quick to complain, while offering zero solution to what they claim to be a problem!
One more just because.
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Thank you 🙂
And Amen.. applause whatever else.. as seriously we need a kick in the ass. I’ve had a post in my mind titled - ‘The Rewards Pool - It’s not fucking yours’ but I haven’t sat down long enough to write it yet. I think many are so used to “free votes” it’s now seen as something they deserve.. and quite frankly I think that is what is the biggest issue here. That attitude is getting us nowhere and has me, a manual curator, questioning if we should be using inflation on content at all anymore as it’s become a shit fest that sucks value out daily.
The goal is to incentivize a community of active users, as that is damn valuable.. not to become a free Steem of income for retuning no value whatsoever.. how can no one see the long term issues this is causing?
Anyways.. I’ll stop ranting on your blog 😘
I sat in the back of the bus to Auschwitz with @cryptoctopus and mentioned this. Eventually SMTs (or similar) are the earners, Steem is the investment vehicle used for development and the like. Of course this takes time but things like PAL are already showing the way of how it can work.
Entitlement sets in fast, even for those who have added nothing at all.
....it would be much neater if we got rid off the whole social media 'earn by blogging' concept if you ask me.
Who needs content creators on a social media platform????
Steem would be far less messier without social media and people.
The sooner people realize steem is just another crypto, the better.
Steem doesn't want content it wants investors. (and it's doing a shit job at that also, once the allure of 'getting paid to blog' wore off).
The hook of content creation and 'getting paid', was just the salesman selling a Ferrari in the showroom, but delivering you a Lada - and then also expected you to be grateful for it!
....be grateful for what you receive, peasants! ffs.
If the content creators ( the leechers ) could all just fuck off, the code would work just perfect.! lol.
now slipped to 71, I see.
Rarely I have I come across such a group of people who didn't have one fucking clue as to human behavior, psychology, or understanding of basic business.....smh.
Privileged children trying to make it in a grown up world through deception and empty promises, and cronyism.
I.e hot air...(steem! boom! boom!)
Promising a Ferrari and delivering a lada -and then expecting people to be grateful for it, it reminiscent of the slave coal miners working for oligarchs.
They were brainwashed into being grateful for the fact they were allowed to keep all the coal dust collected on their clothing from the mining work - to use on their fires once they got home!
Your understanding of human psychology is woeful, matey...
Ranking 71 now.
No sounds of percolation yet?
Not considering powering down?
Is there a definitive price you would?
Or are you going down with the ship, regardless?
You never addressed my specific point in the comment I made to you earlier - Not like you to avoid a direct question with a direct answer! lolol
(I'm trying to help)
Who exactly are you talking to? Dramatic much? Who said get rid of content creators? It’s just everyone should understand the rewards aka INFLATION POOL comes from those who hold stake.. and you, me, etc are not entitled to shit. In fact what you deserve is what you put into it.. so your vote amount times the 10 allocated votes a day. So if your vote is 2cents, you own 20 cents of that pool and if you are earning more than that then that’s pretty fucking sweet, no?
The inflation pool is to attract and reward value contributions, that is a lesson we all need to learn.
As far as question you asked me.. no I don’t avoid much, and answer honestly and bluntly so maybe there is another explanation? If it’s on my HF post, there are too many comments and it freezes now. I did make my way through as many comments as I could before I couldn’t even make it work anymore. So, you could repeat your question anywhere you like or just continue with whatever this is.
Yeah, we need to make changes on Steem.. as we are dropping, part of that is the culture that “come here and blog and get RICH” started.. as that’s not getting us anywhere.
Any questions?
Oh warning.. dear lucylin, Also, I’m in quite the mood so you can choose an adult conversation or a pick a fight.. I’m prepared for either 🙂
Congratulations @tarazkp!
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I don't know why but I have a feeling you haven't taken a walk in the forest on the day of writing this post...
Actually, I had spent day outside and it was a nice one, but once I started writing, I got into it. Often when I write I get immersed in the experience, something like a flow state. If people felt flow more in their lives, they would do more of value.
Flow is good. This way we catch ideas from the ethersphere.
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All of the Steem that exists was mined before Steemit existed. With power comes responsibility. Neither of our shitposts significantly engenders either.
Give credit where credit is due. You and I keep our rooms clean. Those with messy rooms need to clean them, or continue to experience the consequences themselves. Conflating extraction of the economic activity of social media with authority for that economic activity demonstrates responsibility for that social media.
This is why millions of Steem are currently powering down. As you say, whales don't do things by accident. Two different models of ROI are potential. One attains profit via capital gains and increasing the value of the underlying investment vehicle, and one attains profit by extracting the economic value of the investment vehicle, leaving it worthless and in the rear view mirror thereafter. Rhetoric is immaterial and actions probative as to which model each of us effects.
That being said, I haven't seen that you are powering down. Neither am I. I've seen you contributing value incessantly, and it will be interesting to observe how matters proceed in days to come. The state of my stake is not indicative of my economic model, however, as I have undertaken to eschew economic models to the degree possible. Society has far more value than the economic activity it generates, but I am compelled to face the fact that the economy is integral to society, and without it the society loses all value, just as without air a person loses all value.
As you do value your stake you do well to make it your concern.
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absolutely it does and at least for the time being, there is no other way. Eventually or potentially, we will all wake up to a greater understanding - I do not believe I will see it in my lifetime but, it still requires the work to get there.
I am hoping that at least on this side, you can get a little earning, something that is going to make the downvoting pool a little more interesting in the future.
I have come to believe the downvote pool is a critical aspect of the EIP and HF21, because it is necessary to allow the whales to eliminate potential liability that will remain a threat to their profits after they move on to the next profit center. Of the whales whose stake resulted from the ninjamine, @berniesanders has acted as the enforcer, and while he has been able to force people off the platform, the downvote pool will add to his ability to remove accounts. In the execution of these activities Bernie has committed crimes including death threats, extortion, and sexual harassment. Since those acts were committed on the blockchain, he is faced with potential liability, and as a member of the original ninjaminers and profiteers on Steem, I am confident he will not alone accept that liability.
In considering the history of corporate profiteering I recalled the example of Bain Capital, still embroiled in expensive litigation due to their fraudulent extraction of the value of eToys, for example. Since flags have proved nominal to drive users off the platform, the downvote pool might be a mechanism able to destroy the Steem community, and thus enable witnesses to cease operations insufficiently productive of financial rewards to justify. Once the servers are wiped, the evidence of those crimes no longer exists, and only this enables that potential litigation liability to be eliminated.
I am not going to be benefited by the downvote pool, and only a fool would expect that. It will certainly be interesting, though. We do live in interesting times.
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I don't think the hundreds of witnesses out there are all ever going to wipe their servers.
Why would they keep the information once there was no financial incentive to do so?
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It isn't all about financial incentive. Some don't have financial incentive now and still keep it going. Some still use IRC too. And anyway, when it comes to information, there is always some value possible and even if they are not running a witness node, the chain can be stored on a normal hardrive. They are pretty cheap.
Since my speculative theory is regarding ongoing financial collusion, I should have phrased my last comment differently. If the intent of HF21 is actually to kill Steem, then the lack of financial incentive to maintain the blockchain would provide witnesses with plausible reasons for wiping their drives and deleting the blockchain along with evidence that could present tortuous liability for malicious actors.
It's a cliche that criminals want to leave no witnesses able to provide evidence of their crimes. There are certainly plenty of examples of corporate profiteers that have lost considerable ROI to such liabilities.