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RE: HOW TO DOX A SCAMMER USING OSINT | The Zeartul Example

in #steemit7 years ago (edited)

This isn't doxxing. It's solving a crime.

so you're advocating vigilantism. great. The truth is people invested money in a dubious scam and should've done their research, it's their fault and they should own up to it, not become fucking crybabies. The blockchain wasn't made for that kind of people. Code. Is. Law.

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I am totally advocating decentralized operations on Steemit, including resolving tort actions. If you call that vigilantism, then you so define all decentralized operations to resolve such criminal matters.

Code is fact. Code is fungible. Code is broken, and flawed, and needs to be fixed all too often. It is not the equivalent of 'Thou shall not kill'. Don't steal isn't something that can be embedded in code.

Therefore redressing grievances is something that needs to happen, since code can't prevent it.

I am not hearing people crying over their lost SBD's. I do consider buying votes a morally hazardous practice, so I don't do it. That doesn't mean that people who are suckered into scams shouldn't be able to redress their greivances. It means I didn't lose any damn money when @zeartul cleaned out @bellyrub and bailed the platform.

Are you claiming that every votebot on the platform is a scam? If so, the community should remove them from the platform, just like every other scammer, spammer, and plagiarist. I don't think votebots are criminal by default, and given that folks like @aggroed and @berniesanders run votebots, I think there is damn good reason to say that votebots aren't dubious scams. Neither of them has scammed anyone, and equating votebots with scams is slanderous.

Votebots are unsafe presently, because there are no mechanisms that have evolved - due to instances like this, that create perception of the need for them - to secure peoples investments in buying votes.

Regardless, decentralized tort resolution is necessary on decentralized platforms that involve fiduciary matters, and spewing ad hominems like 'vigilantism' isn't useful.

As much as you revile crybabies, I detest thieves and psychopaths incapable of empathy.

Make of that what you will.

no, I call doxxing vigilantism. You advocate doxxing, thus you advocate vigilantism. Keep living in your own delusion by trying to banalise this extremely dangerous point of view.

When someone will falsely get accused of scamming , and then get doxxed before people realise the accusation was false, maybe you will understand why this is completely fucked up.

The people that'll lose money to scams will always be idiots who saw a big potential roi and went for it. People that can get their lives destroyed by doxxing, however, may be completely innocent and just happen to be falsely accused.

Despite my best effort to see things from your point of view, and I can certainly empathize regarding innocent victims of doxxing, I just can't see how you can have any realistic expectation that people who have been defrauded should be unable to pursue recompense.

You completely fail to elucidate a realistic alternative, which is just encouraging the current protocol. Your only criticism of the current protocol is that mistakes can happen.

Name any mechanism, in any social institution, in which mistakes can't happen, and be bad.

If you expect people that have been defrauded to do nothing to recover their money, your opinion is so divorced from reality it is meaningless. Propose a reasonable, functional alternative, point to clues to such, or be ignored as irrelevant.

Because expecting people to do nothing is irrelevant. It's not even remotely reasonable.

If you expect people that have been defrauded to do nothing to recover their money, your opinion is so divorced from reality it is meaningless.

have you read the bitcoin white paper? Or at least the abstract? that is exactly what I'm advocating. Decentralization comes at a price. No one forces you to spend money on bots. no one.

I exemplify that truth. I have never used a bot intentionally. I intend never to do so, at least not for votes.

Yet, I recognize that they infest Steemit. People use them for reasons, the median payout on Steemit is $.01, and this drives people to seek upvotes from bots.

This drives profits into the coffers of SP delegators, and is a net negative to the platform - and Steem - but that doesn't relieve scammers like @zeartul of his personal responsibility for their frauds.

People have a right to seek redress, and they will do so, regardless of our opinions. It's gonna happen.

It's not wrong, either.