Someone down voted me for an honest mistake when posting to promote my post on Steemit chat, I used the wrong hashtag and the owner said he didn't take to spamming lightly. My post was hidden so I just reposted it. Sometimes I think things get taken to the extreme and there should be moderators to moderate that as well. And a checkbox to see the legitimate reason why you are being flagged.
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Yes, definitely - I got involved a while ago where 'steemcleaners' were downvoting everything from a guy and it all started by him just including a couple of basic image links at the bottom of his post.. Something that many users do here, including some of the ones at the very top of the system.
I learned there that Steemcleaners isn't actually an 'official' part of steem and they aren't even acting on an official policy, it's just some guys who are acting as vigilantes to 'clean up' steem of content that they personally don't want on here. :/
I too got involved in all of this because of @Steemcleaners.
@adm is another Proxie account that appears to be pretty crappy.
I really don't like my posts being Flagged this way unless I was attacking someone.
But to be construed as a "Plagiarizer" and a "Parasite" by ANYONE on an Open Platform is a bit Absurd. I don't need someone else's BOT telling me what content I should or shouldn't look at. And Flagging should not affect rewards... that's just asking for trouble.
Thank you for posting your concerns. They are valid and shared my many.
Too many...
I have just created an addon for steemit that mildly improves the situation with downvoted posts being hidden. ;)
You are welcome - exposure leads to change!
That and bots operating with whatever logic they are using can quickly create havoc, especially if backed by a decent amount of steem power.
I have just created an addon for steemit that mildly improves the situation with downvoted posts being hidden. ;)
There is an issue here in that there is a Terms of Service for steem that actually could be said to prohibit the actions of Steemcleaners. Despite their claims to be supported by the community, there are many who disagree with their decisions and for justifiable reasons.
Oh, I meant to say that there are terms of service for Steemit, not Steem. Since Steem and Steemit are both created by the same group, I combine them in my mind.
The terms of service for Steemit specifically includes a term in section 17 that is relevant.
Cases of blatant plagiarism with no added value from the author and deliberate malicious misuse of the software that amounts to criminal intent are valid reasons to downvote, i think. Deliberate propaganda and misinformation is also a valid reason. Some might say that some of these are subjective, but ultimately I feel that the absolute truth can be known in all cases - though it might require a lot of research to find it.
Not at all, Steemit Inc. Is subject to local laws and as such could be compelled to comply with them or face termination. As such they could choose to remove accounts from Steemit and, although I am not familiar enough with the licensing for Steem, could potentially also be forced to effectively enforce laws on Steem too. It's a new technology, so the case law is not clear - i think - however, a blockchain is not an ungovernable system.
I don't want moderators, I want better code logic for down-votes. Moderators become a huge problem as we've seen on youtube, facebook and twitter. I would hate to spread that cancer to steemit.
Yes, totally makes sense.
My suggestion was somewhere in between whereby the community's own self regulating up/down vote process is made more functional. I will always lean more on the side of doing nothing than on censoring and control, since bias is all around and I am regularly (unfairly) censored on FB/G+ etc.
While the situation on Steemit is better than Facebook, for example, in that the posts can be viewed by anyone who desires to - the reality remains that if there were no 'censoring' qualities to the act of hiding a post then there would be no value in the function of hiding a post.
There are so many posts in Steemit that some users will simply glance over hidden posts and assume that the hiding is just. I don't have any figures for it but I think that it is probably true that hidden posts get less views and upvotes as compared to when the same post is made and not hidden.
In my own case, a perfectly valid post that was part of a popular and important series of posts was downvoted and hidden only a few seconds after I posted it, thankfully I recovered it by (ironically) the use of randowhale - a bot.
My post on this specific topic that contains suggestions for improvements, goes into all of this in some depth.
i have no problem with not calling it 'censorship', but if something is hidden it is by definition now not fully available in a published format alongside the other posts. obviously, i don't make posts to steemit for them to be hidden. i personally feel that what i am posting usually will draw enough attention without me needing to add 'mystery' to it by having it hidden. i do though think it is justified to say that hidden posts are 'semi censored' - since they do result in some of the people who would have potentially encountered the material from not encountering it, just as if it was fully censored.
this though, is not the end of the issue, since the author also loses money and reputation due to the downvotes - which is a whole other dimension to the equation.
The cancer has spread... unfortunately.
I'd like to see @steemcleaners and @adm close their accounts.
They are only used for abuse on the platform; probably by a very immature and simple minded person, but nonetheless, those accounts do only harm and no good. IMHO of course.
I have just created an addon for steemit that mildly improves the situation with downvoted posts being hidden. ;)
I'm on my way to check your link, thank you and a lovely Monday to you!
Sadly, there isn't always a 'valid' reason for flags.