Hey Steemit, lean in close I'm going to tell you a secret, the magic trick to get onto the Trending page.
then pay @powerawesomemegarandowhale some SBD
[etc...]First you pay @randowhale 2 SBD,
then pay @booster some SBD,
then you pay @megawhale some SBD,
then pay @awesomewhale some more SBD,
then pay @votearama some SBD,
And Boom! You are on Trending. Congrats!
Is this really how we want Steemit to work?
Yea, yea I know, I auction my SteemPower to the highest bidder, so maybe I'm part of the problem.
I'll admit to having sold my vote once or twice (not a common thing for me though, before people start bugging me).
As an anarcho-capitalist, I'll have to say, it is what it is.
I'm just thinking out loud here, what do you think Steemit?
Hahaha.
Why pay ? , when you can get it for Free!!!
We curate posts for Free.
Hmm, Give us some ideas 💡 now.
Authors don't even bother reading #whalepower Tag right. @bullionstackers , @paul-gillbanks for #whalepower Tag.
Follow #whalepower Thank you @bullionstackers
Thank you! One of the powerful tag is #whalepower
Selling your vote? Kinda trashy. Like, meth riddled trailer park whorey.
Getting paid by someone for you to spend your time going through the target's active blog posts and comments and then giving a 100% upvote to your favorite of the lot? That's not selling your vote, that's selling your time and energy. Essentially the user becomes not a customer, but a client.
(bots get an exception, cause their bots. Except @gentle-bot, that one has an interesting methodology)
gimme some meth, I mean upvotes, oops!
Lol, did @gentle-bot just learn how to stroke its own ego? Or did you just figure out how to get a @gentle-bot vote? ...Are we witnessing the rise of self up voting bots? IS @gentle-bot ACTUALLY SKYNET??? Holy crap I just freaked myself out there....
None of the above. I happened to get a comment Upvote about a week ago and looked into how he worked. Thought it was kinda neat.
I would consider that, now I have my option.Thanks @neoxian
Shit I hope one day I have enough steem power that I can sell my upvote lol.
As with so many things in life, it's all about sleeping with the right people.
sure is. Where a condom.
I must say I used them because I just need some earnings @neoxian since it alsos takes an effort for me to do some work for my blog.
does this work ?
Than its cool as you get I guess a nice ROI, otherwise you need to see if each payed upvote is giving you a ROI. If yes - use the given offer, why not ? If no, let it be.
I personally like also to test everything, just for testing and learning and see where it leads to, even if I lose money, ie in auctions...LOL
Great idea to build up a voting team.
Not really what he was saying the point is dont rely on bots.
I think it is what it is right now is about as good as it gets "right now". The thing is I don't really see anyone get to the top without actual votes from whales themselves. I use randowhale and at best it lets my post get into a few more eyes. My thought is this platform being so new that in time these things will work themselves out as more and more people visit and the "group" start to have feelings one way or another. Right now its very much a free for all.
Hold on wait a minute this sounds like the banking system 😳 Which is why I came to steem ...to get away front the bankers! Seems like steem is trying to figure out what it's next move is. Hard fork 19 , everyone self upvoting, price volatility, personal greed particularly important to ENTIRE SYSTEM, I hope steem stays TRUE
If I give people money, they will surely like me.
I swam to the dolphin pool by making friends and not by buying them. Steem On
I will not use randowhale ect I have done just to try it once but no, I'm not paying someone to upvote my work with basically free money, people are stupid if they use this. Steemit needs to work on making curation actual curation and not bot voting shit.
But the issue with newbies is they are not visible, they don't have influence, they don't have powerful followers or no followers at all, they don't know how to blog, a few are clumsy like me, they don't have any idea what to blog, how to blog n stuff. If they don't get some push or traction in the initial stages say the first 2-3 months till they get a foothold in the community, they will get disillusioned and just fade out.
I have in my followers list a couple of very promising looking bloggers who seems to have stopped blogging after a couple of failed attempts to garner some attention n support.@neoxian, you have a very valid point there. If we could buy a few upvotes from whales to push our blog up, that is not fair.
Now everyday thousands are joining the community. More talent is coming. Visibility window for every bloggers is getting shorter by the day.
So a newbie has to make the right mark at the right time with the right set of people to make a mark that takes him forward. It is not easy to get the right niche or write up cool blogs one after other. Blogging requires serious efforts that consume time and leaves one totally exhausted.
So newbies could do with a little help. They are also aspiring to do something worthwhile here and earn their fair bit of money. We need to give that extra leverage to newbies else this will only be a rich man's ( read one loaded with steempower) play ground.
I guess the bigger whales n dolphins should upvote and support much more newbies till they get their own thing going.
They say you come to steemit to give and then you receive as you have given.
Once newbies know the struggle n assistance / leverage received they will in turn help other newbies to find their feet. That's how communities grow.
I don't think we should get into this aspect very much.
Peace n love to all. Steem On!!!😊👍So @randowhale,@booster are some crutches that a newbie will lean on while finding his place in the community. Once you find your niche and a faithful following then things start getting a bit easier. But the first few months till one reaches say a 1000SP it is an extremely uphill task.
You make some very good points. I've been hanging around on Steemit for only a week and I find it hard to gain a foothold. In fact, I've already noticed some mechanisms (like the pay for upvotes that @neoxian mentions here) that at first seem innocent but may actually be harmful to the entire community. For instance, whales having so much influence it's tempting to follow whales and post similar content in hopes of them upvoting you, causing a very limited amount of subjects to be present more and more.
I'm working on a series of blog posts called "Taking Steemit to the Extreem" where I analyse a few of those mechanisms and try to predict what would happen if those were used/exploited to the extreme. Maybe if we can identify some mechanisms that are vulnerable to abuse we (the community) can do something to mitigate that.
@pilcrow, I have understood one thing. It will take some time before any newbie gets noticed on steemit, unless you are extremely talented blogger or you have a whale or dolphin friend backing you. so the best thing to do is.
Keep me informed about how things are going at your end. I never ask anyone to follow me or resteem my blogs or upvote me. Never. I am not asking you to do the same. just remember my name, when you write your first introduce your town photo op, just let me know.
This is beautiful. I've seen newbies fail woefully with blogs like how to make money on steemit. When actually they are not making it yet.
are megawhale, booster, awesomewhale still alive?
I made up some of those whales.
You forgot @megaevolutionultrasupremewhalevoteroverlordofsteemit. :)
Makes more sense :P
I have some vote I might sale!
:-)
namaste!
Well, maybe it's a good thing for newcomers to be noticed by the community. I'm sure everyone feels the pain of spending time on a post that goes unnoticed. I feel like once you're on the trending page, you'll get plenty of followers.
Maybe I'll give this a try 🤔
Really wish I currently had the 2 SBD to just use randowhale on this post :D
But yeah, you're probably right. Just having votes for sale kind of hinders the whole idea of being rewarded for a quality post. On the other hand it really can be a pain in the ass to get anyone to even read your post in the beginning.
@neoxian --- Hahaha sarcasm used to convey a very crucial topic to a large audience... I must well done... you might as well go ahead and talk about what it takes minnows to be on trending page.... N definitely thats not what the thought process should be
Suggested Read:
3 Shortcuts for Beginners to succeed in Steemit
You will relate with this post on similar lines :)
These are all very valid points. I am still new to steemit and so my voice is worth little but... I feel as though paying your way into trending is like buying cheat codes for a new video game so you can be the first to finish it. You are already investing in it so why not just put the time in to see it through...
Peace,
The Last Sage
I use some of these services, for two reason, one to help with steem power. It is not a bad trade for $2.00 to get an upvote for $8.00. That almost seems like a good investemnt. I do not think that it is necessarily the right thing to do. I do not do it to get on the trending page. I do it simply for the steem power and to help me grow as I learn the steemit ways. But it does help the minnows out.
I haven't heard of half of those. Thanks for sharing hahaha.
We have seen the same stuff on YouTube. A guy always gets 100 views then BAM all of a sudden 6000 views or more. Its obvious hes buying votes. It is what it is. I know Iam not buying anything coz I want to make it or not on my own.
I am still saying (but no one is listening) capping the upside earnings of posts would solve a lot of grief...
To answer your question: NO, this is not how Steemit should work, this should not become our culture.
However...
Must admit, sometimes I call in the help of some power fish as well. Working hours and hours per day on Steemit with not bad post (I can say: "some are damn good"), I find it sometimes hard to see the relatively low rewards. It gets even more frustrating when I see quite a few posts being way worse then mine, and getting factors of 10s to 100s more rewards. But it is what it is, so I try to shut myself for those negative triggers.
Recently found some ways to get more rewards, and still with the stuff I like to blog about. Actually stuff that I already blogged about, but now found ways to get noticed better. Sometimes it is some big fish voting because I somehow get their attention, sometimes a big fish followed by a vote train. The later I mentioned since also vote trains should not be part of Steemit IMHO, but I'm very grateful when the leader of the train decides to vote on one of my posts.
Whale vote for some SBD or Steem: from a business perspective, I find it a damn good idea! Salut to those who came up with the ideas and had the means to implement it.
I know this is unfair but none of the above whale can get anyone to the trending page, common mistake people make and with the current scenario of decreasing payout I doubt how help is a randowhale vote and more over every minute people are paying him to upvote without having an idea that his voting power is really low since he is constantly voting. i like the idea of delegation since you are in control of your situation.
You make a reasonable observation, but my guess is that that @rando et al. would not be enough. For another POV, @riskdebonair wrote about this a few months ago https://steemit.com/trendingtips/@riskdebonair/how-to-be-a-regular-member-on-the-trending-page-a-guide-for-beginners
Is a self-inflicted participation award a sign of success these days?
I'ver never purchased a single vote.
Now why would you... have you seen your stats? : )
Yes, I worked very hard on them for 12 months. My point is, I didn't get to the trending page this way and I don't think anyone else should either. Building a following takes time and effort. I don't think there are any shortcuts.
No I know that is my point exaclty build up slowly.
I would say it's probably not how it "should" work but it's not like the posts that make it to trending have ever been the "best" content and who's to say what that even is anyway? So, it's hard to really say what "should" happen.
Interesting stuff. I guess the free market will find equilibrium in the end, atm its all new and people are adjusting.
What do you think gives the best return, investing in SP or investing in these bots? I would be interesting to see someone breaking this down :)
This platform has one of the most interesting incentive-structures I have ever seen and it's amazing to take part in this experiment.
Thanks for the post :)
A little bit unfair for newcomers in my opinion.It feels like cheating in a sense. Having paid to win ... takes away all the effort of creating good content ( it might be good content at times , but sure it helps the spams...). I getting used to see undervalued post and its a bid sad =(.
I don't even browse trending page anymore.. No offence if you got on the trending page, but it's mostly full of crap
Good observation. I don't think it is good but it has become a trend now. God helps us.
So, it looks like you are more Capitalist than you are Anarchist? 60/40 maybe? 70/30?
I'm an Anarcho-capitalist.
hahaha... nice one to make a point... I actually tried checking out megawhale and awesomewhale before finally getting what you were driving at :) Thanks, you drove the point deep into my head :)
I have not idea. We'll have to see.
Your post is funny.
great idea for a new business
I think it's what is wrong with our world! This is just like the richer paying less taxes. It's crud and I can't imagine Ned and Dan saying "Yes, this is how we wanted Steemit to work!"
Just because you are a whale doesn't mean you can cheat the system - go read posts that minnows are doing their best to put out there and upvote when you seem necessary. Don't get paid for something that should be offered for good work.
So counterproductive - Steemit says write good content and make money from it on the community.
The taxing advantage taking community says pay me to upvote your great content! F#@k off!
love them all even your imaginary voter! im a robot
You are a robot?
So people actually pay whales to get on the trending page?
Its sustainable for people actually creating good content and looking to build there steemit page that have joined in the last couple months. Otherwise you are wasting your money trying to get "rich" with shit posts and randowhale.
Interesting idea neoxian to grow up here
Not what he was implying..
:o i will read again so
Nice post :)
Upvote post me ?
https://steemit.com/art/@zulmy/review-pangkas-pria-radens-the-barber-language-english-and-indonesia
I consider this rude.
Nicely said..
Exchellent work again dear @neoxian!!
greatt
power is a tool, like money is a tool. in my opinion its like investing on your blog. my fave now is @booster . their mindset is what I resonate with.
I like that you said "money is a tool"...
:lol:
It's a good idea if there's no problem with steemit hehe
I like your way of thinking
I had decided to give a couple a try to see what they would do, and it wasn't really worth it in the end...I much prefer when actual people find my posts and we have a discussion.
i have seen many comments of people where they give sbd for votes and end up loosing money hahah