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My point is that it's hard to even get that... I keep getting comments like "Nice post- upvote me" That isn't honest discourse- it's begging!

Yes, there are people like that. If you notice their reputation is not so high, mostly newbies.
They entered steemit with the wrong orientation.

We still got plenty positive vibes here

The "instant Riches" crowd... I try to encourage them to go in a different direction- if that doesn't work, I flag them.

I'd say easy on the flagging though...
It's the twitter and instagram mentality, you know, like freshers in college.