So it's OK for the local governance to take all "your" money because it isn't yours to begin with? I don't get this line of reasoning.
Government can not be fixed, government is not broken.
I don't know if the hot shower is an expression or saying. But if it's not, I rather have a neighbour ASKING me if I can help him build a shower for free or give or buy him food or whatever, than one that put's a GUN on my head. Government doesn't do anything, people do the things
I did not say that your money and stuff isn't yours.
Saying that gov't cannot be fixed is a mighty big leap that I'll wager is not as well informed as you might believe it is.
Consider all of the infrastructure that goes into your nice hot shower. Takes a lot of people to make that happen. A lot of organizing. But you'd rather build the wheel all over again by growing food, trading it with your neighbor to build him a working shower - have you ever constructed something like that? Do you realize the materials required? Even to "rig something up" requires materials. Lumber, pipes, plastic (hold water w/o leakage) and all of this takes time to plan, gather, execute - uh oh, gopher ate my veggies while I was helping you build your shower ...
I don't want to discuss the "property is theft" bit. I was mostly joking around and just wanted to post that punk song because it popped into my mind and I like it. I'm also joking about "setting up crappy infrastructure" in the sense that, it is hard work and hard to do well when it is one's first time. It was well worth it and I learned SO MUCH.
They don't take ALL of your money, yet, because they can take it from your (grand)children in the form of debt.
Now they take 80% , but where is the line, when do you call it slavery ? 85%, 90%, 99%, 100%?
And isn't bureaucracy is slavery as well?
How are you gonna stop the mechanism? By being a part of it? I don't wanna be a part of it.
If I may not steel from my neighbours under threat of force, to let them pay for what I think is good, I may not do the same thing as some government official.
No-one can say to me: “You may do, what you may not do as a human being, because I say so (because I voted for you) and it doesn't even matter how many say I can (voted for me).”
I'm always bound to the “law's” of mortals.
I can't command other people to do, or not do, anything that I want.
I'm not a god, or appointed by “god” as a king or queen.
And I can't be appointed as the “king” by “the majority”(with is today's substitute of the appointment by god)
I can not acquire the right to rule, the right to give rights and take rights! From whom would I have gotten such a right?
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Government is working perfect, government is violence, divide and conquer, war, terrorism and what not.
I take a sidestep here: Government can get the money to point gun's at people at the other end of the world (terrorism) because they put a gun in your face, if you ever decided you do not want to pay for their war's (terrorism) Everything government initially does is violence. Think about it.
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I don't have to build everything from scratch other people did/do that for me, and other people don't have to build a thing that I build for them or “rigged up for them” cause I did it for them without someone forcing me, just by trading. But you seem to think that without the violence of government people would do nothing That all would stop that people would stop doing things for themselves and the ones around them.
You say// uh oh, gopher ate my veggies while I was helping you build your shower ... //
You talk as if government is some magic entity that can protect society from reality. It can't, It never did and will never do that.
I often wonder how people think that government creates extra value, on top of what society creates, or that it makes society work, while all it does is destroy, enslave, and commit crime and the saddest thing of all, put's people up against each other.
theft from who?
So it's OK for the local governance to take all "your" money because it isn't yours to begin with? I don't get this line of reasoning.
Government can not be fixed, government is not broken.
I don't know if the hot shower is an expression or saying. But if it's not, I rather have a neighbour ASKING me if I can help him build a shower for free or give or buy him food or whatever, than one that put's a GUN on my head. Government doesn't do anything, people do the things
Dude - I've spent a couple of years in the middle of nowhere setting up crappy infrastructure. It sucks.
I don't want to discuss the "property is theft" bit. I was mostly joking around and just wanted to post that punk song because it popped into my mind and I like it. I'm also joking about "setting up crappy infrastructure" in the sense that, it is hard work and hard to do well when it is one's first time. It was well worth it and I learned SO MUCH.
They don't take ALL of your money, yet, because they can take it from your (grand)children in the form of debt.
Now they take 80% , but where is the line, when do you call it slavery ? 85%, 90%, 99%, 100%?
And isn't bureaucracy is slavery as well?
How are you gonna stop the mechanism? By being a part of it? I don't wanna be a part of it.
If I may not steel from my neighbours under threat of force, to let them pay for what I think is good, I may not do the same thing as some government official.
No-one can say to me: “You may do, what you may not do as a human being, because I say so (because I voted for you) and it doesn't even matter how many say I can (voted for me).”
I'm always bound to the “law's” of mortals.
I can't command other people to do, or not do, anything that I want.
I'm not a god, or appointed by “god” as a king or queen.
And I can't be appointed as the “king” by “the majority”(with is today's substitute of the appointment by god)
I can not acquire the right to rule, the right to give rights and take rights! From whom would I have gotten such a right?
3
Government is working perfect, government is violence, divide and conquer, war, terrorism and what not.
I take a sidestep here: Government can get the money to point gun's at people at the other end of the world (terrorism) because they put a gun in your face, if you ever decided you do not want to pay for their war's (terrorism) Everything government initially does is violence. Think about it.
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I don't have to build everything from scratch other people did/do that for me, and other people don't have to build a thing that I build for them or “rigged up for them” cause I did it for them without someone forcing me, just by trading. But you seem to think that without the violence of government people would do nothing That all would stop that people would stop doing things for themselves and the ones around them.
You say// uh oh, gopher ate my veggies while I was helping you build your shower ... //
You talk as if government is some magic entity that can protect society from reality. It can't, It never did and will never do that.
I often wonder how people think that government creates extra value, on top of what society creates, or that it makes society work, while all it does is destroy, enslave, and commit crime and the saddest thing of all, put's people up against each other.