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RE: How to Deal with Trolls

in #trolls8 years ago (edited)

Thank you for your thoughtful comment.

You disagree with what exactly? I simply wrote what reason a troll would give for the way they behave when trolling. I'm not saying that calling people out on misleading information is a bad thing. But the way that a troll would put it is "I'm just calling you out on your BS" which is a triggering statement to make.

Making a triggering statement is never going to move a reader to consider your POV. A triggering statement is designed to trigger the emotional side of the reader, making it more likely the reader will shut off their logical side. You can call somebody out on their BS without actually saying this. And by not saying this the reader is less likely to become defensive of their bullshit and might even consider your POV.

I wouldn't be proud of trolling tendencies. They are inherently a flaw within ourselves. You have every right and responsibility to defend your opinions. The troll way to do it, is to word things in a way that completely disrespect any views that oppose their own. You will find it harder to reach a person this way.

You may well be somebody who is good at listening to the POV of others, but you can't predict that the person on the other side of the screen is too. This is why I say imagine each person you encounter to be your elderly neighbour or somebody you would not wish to harm with the manner you speak, because we forget that even when we credit ourselves with being more logical than emotional, the person on the other side of the screen is highly likely to react emotionally to triggering phrases such as the ones listed.

I agree that trolling is about intent. But it's not always a conscious intention. It is possible to intend to provoke an emotional reaction from somebody so as to make it more difficult for them to coherently respond with their more logical POV. This is a subconscious way of trying to get the upper hand in an argument. Everybody believes their argument to be the more important or correct one. So we all want the upper hand in defending it.

Some trolls possibly know that they're trolls though. I have never met one to admit it.

I'm sorry I won't be reconsidering my take on this. I don't consider you a troll. I believe there is a little troll in all of us, and to kill the trolls we have to kill the troll within.

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@beanz Fair enough I can respect what you're saying.
Perhaps it's the way it's worded the second time around, but the first time around didn't seem as clear as in your reply to my comment.
Thanks for bringing the topic to the forefront anyways.

I don't like to make a post too long or detailed with my opinions so I'm grateful that you brought it to my attention that it's not all that clear.

Hopefully those reading will read the comments here and get a better understanding. I don't wish to make anybody feel like I'm accusing them. The paragraph about "signs you are dealing with a troll" are just phrases a troll would often begin with before an argument escelates into hurtful intentions. Then the real trolling begins. I'm not saying anybody who uses them are trolls. But I do consider them phrases that could be said more respectfully.

This reply is as good as your post. Really appreciate this issue being brought up and I will work to squash any trolling tenancies within.

I agree about the flagging just creating more problems because of retaliation. Unfortunately it seems at this time that the flagging is being done exclusively by trolls, if AI ones. Any suggestions on how the mechanics of that can be improved to favor those who are working to avoid the troll within?

This is the most recent take on that issue that I could find. Perhaps you could write about the issue in the hope it would reach the attention of somebody with a solution.