RE: Is Racial Segregation Wrong?

[amberyooper]

I think the leaders of Israel have decided that the only they are going to be able to take the Palestinian land for their own use is by killing as many Palestinians as they can. I would not be sad if someone turned Tel Aviv into a melted pillar of sand. It might get their attention.

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[contextualize]

Referring to a list of world wide conflicts;

This grisly inventory finds the total number of deaths in conflicts since 1950 numbering about 85,000,000. Of that sum, the deaths in the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1950 include 32,000 deaths due to Arab state attacks and 19,000 due to Palestinian attacks, or 51,000 in all. Arabs make up roughly 35,000 of these dead and Jewish Israelis make up 16,000.

If you accept Hamas's figures for the recent Gaza wars, then add between 2,000 to 4,000 to the Palestinian(+Arab casualties) side. So it would be approximately 39,000 killed since 1950. Either way, it's silly to say that Israel is "killing as many Palestinians as they can."

These figures mean that deaths in Arab-Israeli fighting since 1950 amount to just 0.06 percent of the total number of deaths in all conflicts in that period. More graphically, only 1 out of about 1,700 persons killed in conflicts since 1950 has died due to Arab-Israeli fighting.

(Adding the 11,000 killed in the Israeli war of independence, 1947-49, made up of 5,000 Arabs and 6,000 Israeli Jews, does not significantly alter these figures.)

In a different perspective, some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.

(1) Despite the relative non-lethality of the Arab-Israeli conflict, its renown, notoriety, complexity, and diplomatic centrality will probably give it continued out-sized importance in the global imagination. And Israel's reputation will continue to pay the price.

From: https://www.quora.com/How-many-Palestinians-have-been-killed-since-the-formation-of-Israel-in-1948

You on the other hand, are calling to G-d forbid; murder the 432,000 people in Tel Aviv, many of whom, are Arab-Israeli...

[amberyooper]

I didn't say that I was calling for murder, I just said that I wouldn't be sad if something happened. There is a difference, you know. God did that to Sodom and Gomorrah.
The Israelis have taken every inch of land that they could since 1947. They currently occupy a part of Syria, which means that they have invaded a piece of land that belongs to another sovereign nation. They have also reduced the size of Palestine by a large percentage by encroachment. The history of Israel since 1947 is long and bloody.

[lyndsaybowes]

@amberyooper, don't even waste your breath on this guy, he never stops. He literally follows me to only comment pro israel shit on all of my posts about Palestine. If I say anything about the genocide, here comes the C word to spread his gospel.

[contextualize]

I may address your points after, like how Syria attacked Israel illegally, therefore lost the Golan. Or how after Egypt's illegal attack and subsequent loss of the Sinai, which Israel later gave back for peace, or Israel's unilateral withdrawal from Gaza, proves that Israel doesn't "take every inch of land they could since 1947."

Since it came first though, will you admit that Israel's killing of approximately 39,000 Palestinians and Arabs (from the surrounding countries) in the wars, is hardly the same as what you said; "killing as many Palestinians as they can." That it pales in comparison to the 11 million Muslims killed mostly by other Muslims in the same period? (1950 to 2014) And that the Palestinians have killed about half as many Jews too?

Please forgive me, you're right, you didn't call for murder, though the difference between it and your hypothetical lack of sadness is negligible, and fascinatingly, just under the bar for incitement.

Israel's loss of land, as well as it's history goes back a few thousand years before 1947...

[amberyooper]

Of course, to be honest, I also wouldn't be sad if a large asteroid fell from space onto the heart of Washington D.C. that might clean up a lot of the mess in this country.