Steemit will be in a precarious situation if we will not unite as one great family and resolve the flagging war like-wild fire going on between some of our great members. This issue has caused a lot of arguments between the supporters of the people involved when they should invest their time in promoting solid projects on steem blockchain, making more steem and promoting this unique platform to the world. One big example of the issue is between @berniesanders and @dan . @dan is the founding member of Steem , Bitshares and EOS and a great investor in steem power. He has, however, been flagging @berniesanders posts with some genuine reasons (which I really do not know the details), however our steemit community will be better off if these two gentlemen will talk this over and channel their energy to a more positive thing in growing our community. Some points to note:
- It might go out of Control: let me quote from a play written by a Nigerian author Ola Rotimi :
OVONRAMWEN NOGBAISI: Africa’s Exploitation, and the Great Fall of the Benin Kingdom : ‘’a provoked houseboy cannot match his wicked master strength with strength, he maims the master’s favorite goat!’’ Literary both speakers had one reasons or the other to cut pounds of flesh in justice and revenge. see link . @berniesanders cannot match @dan strength with strength so his strategy is to use his voting armies in attacking anything relating to @dan including any posts that added EOS tag - which affected @max-infeld , @nanzo-scoop , @eosio , @libertyteeth , @surfyogi , @tokenika and @officialfuzzy whaleshare project posts (plus many others). - Wasting Voting Power: I will remise if I say that I would not enjoy up votes from these gentlemen -which will go a long way in making someone succeed here on steemit. In fact, many struggling minnows will be happy to get an upvote from them- however it is being wasted in flagging wars.
- Spam and Scam war: We have issue of spam here especially with regard to scam up voting that robs our reward system. Therefore these flagging can be turned to community use in support of the fight against spam and scam here by some steemians : @ats-david , @transisto , the new born @sadkitten , @klye, @sherlockholmes (report spam and scam to him via steem chat) , @personz , @cheetah and , @stellabelle, @papa-pepper , @steemcleaners and @ausbitbank (and many othere) who are using their steem and voting power wisely to flag scammers and spammers . Moreover another good job is from @spaminator - which has found in the past (1 week period) 10,102 spam comments see link here . I wonder what will happen if steemit opens the flood gate for millions of people-we all should therefore, focus on community unity against such spams and scams .
- Community Unity: in my former post: Why Steemit will be Facebook and Reddit Killer see link -taking the fight to Facebook et all will not be an easy one because Facebook has billions of Dollars to spend and take up fight against our dear steemit even through M&A strategy. Therefore, we all have to stop stabbing one another due to ideological or philosophical differences ( that is Facebook specialty ) rather I hope that with @ned leadership we all will grow a strong community and a family like relationship ( One for all-All for One) in order to make steemit a force to reckon with –which is a win win for all.
Conclusion: Steemit is a great platform and will even be more successful in the future however we all have to use the features it provide in a wise way- especially our steem and voting power. Let us unite against spam and scam and deviate from flagging one another because we disagree with them. Importantly, Steemit will indeed be in a precarious situation if we will not unite as one great family and resolve the flagging war like-wild fire going on between some of our great members.
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They both have a history and their differences are such that they cannot be resolved by just talking. Egos can be a funny thing.
We'll just need to wait it out till at least one of them just forgets this whole fiasco and moves on. One of them just needs to extend their hand and hopefully settle all of this and accept that regardless of each other's differences, we as a community need to learn to co-exist
Good point, I agree with you. This seems to be a long standing issue however compromise is needed .Thanks for your comment.
Interesting. 21st Century publishing wars... In the old days, we'd burn down the newspaper office or smash the printing press. Now we employ armies of bots to drown out our enemies...
This platform isn't big enough for the two of us. Draw, pardner!
But seriously, cant we all just get along?
That is the point I want to make, thanks for your comment. I hope people will learn to get along.
Thanks, @charles1. I enjoy and appreciate your posts and comments. Cheers!
you are welcome bud, and more success to you
Si así es, cuando recién entré a Steemit tuve varios problemas por hacer flags indebidos! Pero bueno ya todo se solucionó y aprendí cómo se usan para bien de esta comunidad. Gracias por compartir esta información /)
Gracias
I completely agree with you @charles1
No good ever came from any war ever, all this will do if it continues is draw people to each side of the conflict. I'd like to see them sort it out amicably for the sake of everyone here who is working really hard to produce great content, have fun and make new friends.
Sort it out guys and think of the bigger picture. There are over 300,000 of us now and it's about time you took a step back from the flag war to think about how it will affect the whole community.
Great post buddy.
Thanks bud, I agree with your comment. I hope that they will read all these great comments and at least compromise
Excellent post @charles1.
I agree that Steemit is an excellent platform. Only being here a short while, I am still learning the ropes. I do not know the present war that you discuss but have seen similar situations repeatedly. From my perspective, the only thing that will kill this is from within. People want to get their egos in the way to the detriment of the overall success. I know many people are strong willed, that is actually an admirable trait. However, there still needs to be enough ability to step back and realize when one is so focused on the battle that the war gets lost.
As for the voting, it seems to be a drawback that there downvotes take away power. Speaking as a newer person, your intuition is 100% correct. We would all be thrilled to get a vote from one of the whales....even a 1% or 5% vote is more than most of us receive in a day.
Sometimes people get too far removed from the source. Isnt the idea of this place to give people a place to go, earn money for participating and creating content, and helping others? Did I miss something or read something into it that is not here? Perhaps the individuals you speak of forgot about that.
Thank you for this post and all that you do to call attention to what is taking place.
I agree with you. 1% upvote from these whales will go a long way for minnows . I only hope that someone with influence will read this post and reach out to them. We should not get too involved in the fight in order not to be destroyed by it
Great post man. I totally agree with you! Upvoted and RESTEEMED! Suggestion BTW! Pick a better feature image that would fit the thumbnail! It can help your post reach more people! :]
Good point, I agree with you. I purposely chose the image just to make fun of the flagging issue here. Thanks for your comment and resteem following you in order to stay in touch and send in my support
Good one as always...both guys are great and valuable steemians and shd resolve their differences amicably... Most of we minnows work hard to earn very little..we need those whalish upvotes rather than them using it for flagging...thanks for the post
welcome and note your favourite quote there in the post...amazing quote indeed
sure from the great play writer himself... ;)
welcome, good play writer indeed.
Yes...very good...
I'm very much a newbie on Steemit and I was attracted to using it as a way to escape from Facebook with its upcoming censorship. I am also interested in publishing some blogs that I would not want to be censored by them. I don't fully understand how Steemit works and I am less interested in the revenue side of it but it seems that others are and that is fair enough but I can see that it would introduce an element of competition which usually leads to people employing any means to 'Win', sometimes at all costs. SM often gives people a sense of grandeur that is unfounded but leads them to a self-belief that they are custodians of what is right and what should be opposed. I think leaving the ego in check should be watch words for any who use SM.
Good point, I agree with you. As a new members, I refer you to my older blog posts for tips that will help you succeed here. Success to you.
Thanks for tip Charles1.
you are welcome and more success to you.
@byrngerard I hope that you would write whatever comes to mind. There's no censorship here just don't throw some personal attack. You can say whatever you want and be responsible with it. Haters gonna hate. You earned yourself a new follower!
Thanks very much!
Good point, I agree.
What are you planning on blogging about?😃
I want to write about a broad range of subjects but my main areas of interest are Social Justice (how it might be achieved), Art and its role in the development of mankind, World Affairs and Technology. I have been an early adopter of IT and logged onto my first BBS in 1983. Subsequently worked on and off in Data Comms for 30+ years and I am still enthusiastic about the emergence of new technologies. But I guess the main thing I am interested in is counteracting the Lies and Propaganda that permeates all forms of media.
Wow good answer...maybe we can plan an ICO together..lots of money to be made via ICO if we have a great plan
Give it time @charles1 :)
meep
Good point...time is the key
MSM is so funny. Define Social Justice 🙂
Every person on the planet has a right to their fair share of the earth's rich bounty. They also have a series of rights, many of these are included in Article 25 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Anything that denies those rights is an injustice. And so the definition of Social Justice is the delivery of those rights.
Yeah how can you take basic stuff away from people and just get away with it? Doesn't make sense!
Amen brother!
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Great question, haha
Thanks I agree although I may be a little biased 🙂
welcome
Just curious did you do two mba's?
No ...MIT was a course for senior executives
Very on point @bryngerard you seem to be very knowledgeable although knew in the workings of steemit and how it shd be... We need unity here...welcome to steemit and feel free always to reach me for guide
Thanks very much! I must say Steemit seems a very friendly place, it reminds me of how the Internet and pre-Internet online communities worked in the past. (CIX, the Well etc.)
i agree. cool people on here.
very good and try to read wider @bryngerard check out my blog posts too
UNITY!!! YES!!! 🙂
true... only unity can make us have progress against the likes of facebook, twitter et al... @pjcswart that reminds me, find time to check my blog posts too
Sure what do you blog about?
A lot...general topic...guess you already found out...☺
Sure did...
Hey, thanks for the mention and the shout-out on my post. I was a victim, just posted (a mere 12 hours ago!) a happy event for my followers, of purchasing EOS.
That Bernie jerk decided he will downvote any post that mentions 'X'. I don't care what 'X' is, if one chooses to randomly downvote people one should expect that there will be consequences when one chooses to create more "collateral damage".
I wrote a tool to Show Steemit Edits, and just made a post about it if you're interested.
Often, these wars will include people saying things they later decide they didn't want to say; this tool allows you to see the entire edit history.
I even heard of death threats, although haven't read them directly.
You are welcome @libertyteeth , it is quite unfortunate hence why I posted about the issue. Hopefully the issue will be resolved and we focus on more better issues. I am followig you in order to stay in touch and send in my suppor. More success to you.
Wow @libertyteeth so sorry for the down vote on your EOS post which is unnecessary... Just ignore and keep up the good work...death threats you say.m.😱😵.... Hmm....I pray all gets settled as we are a big family here...no wars pls...forgiveness is the key...!
Thanks Ken! Checked out your profile, I like your posts on eggshells and organic eating, so I've followed you.
Yeah, lashing out at others because one is upset with someone else just doesn't seem like proper social behavior. Whether in person, or on-line.
And then, in his post when a minnow said "please consider reversing your downvote on my post I spent nine hours on?" he responded with "don't talk to me, talk to Dan" -- Dan had nothing to do with his attack on that minnow! I pointed that out, with some vitriol in Bernie's direction, because he had attacked me as well without provocation.
And no, Bernie, I do not consider "provocation" to be you posting a random post announcing your downvoting campaign. That's like Douglas Adams's description of Arthur Dent's house destruction paperwork at the beginning of HHGTTG.
If one decides to harm others, then one should expect similar treatment. And making that decision after someone else harmed him, well, he's not thinking straight or clearly, because pretty much nobody discussing EOS knows who Bernie is or his gripe. And now that I know a little, I don't want to know him any more.
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Another very wise and logical post in the best interest of Steemit!
Flagging is important and necessary but as you say it should only be used for plagiarism or spam not as an ego war. It would go to much better use to help promote good content.
Unfortunately humans have huge egos especially ones with lots of power/money. I doubt your post will get through to them but maybe the community as a whole will learn and evolve.
SteemOn Brother!
You are right, I agree with you. I guess that they will not even read the post or might ignore it however I hope that someone of influnce will read and reach out to them before they destroy themselves and pull innocent people with them...this can lead to physical violence due to the hate involved...isnt it?
Good point, Hahaha..I agree
Yea, I totally agree with you we Steemians should unite together not fight😊...upvoted and followed you
Yes, I agree...good point
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Nice comment @mhel I do agree too...keep steeming hot
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thanks for the smile and do @mhel find time to check out some of my natural health tips...
I already did @kenhudoy
Ok dear and keep steeming hot
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What do you suggest we as a minnow should do to improve the community. Is there anyway you can remove the spammers from Steemit ?
You can report them to @sherlockholmes and @spaminator
You make good points. I just read a post about the same topic, for some background info you can check out: https://steemit.com/steemit/@steemitromney/steemit-whalewars
Good point, thanks for sharing
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why haha, what is hahaha about the post?
I'm free
upporters of the people involved when they should invest their time in promoting solid projects on steem blockchain, making more steem and
@steemcleaners , @cheetah and @sadkitten the above comment copied part of my post and pasted as comment ...take action asap
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Steemit is a good platform...and success could be achieved only when all are united..
Point
Nice article. I fully agree that unity is key. Using voting power wisely and police ones self instead of others. Spam and scam should get tittle to no recognition by the lack of upvotes. I don't think the flagging system is not without flaws. I did get an upvote from @cheeta for posting a picture of a plackard and transcribing what it said. Ha, I guess we all have something to learn. That article had very few votes.
Yeah makes sense!😃
You are welcome and keep steeming to more success
Just an FYI - @papa-pepper has never flagged anyone ever, though I do not agree with or appreciate spammers or scammers
Good point my dear wise man..your own case is with regard to using steem power wisely...thanks for your comment
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Good point , however people become successful if they are willing to try
Great post! Totally agree with uniting, it should be easier to achieve given the user base on Steemit is smaller, in comparison with the giants.
Good point, I agree. Feel free to see my older posts for more tips..success to you.
@charles1 I like your submit. I have followed you.
@agnessejanot what do you like about the post? see my older posts for tips that will guide you to succeed here
you are welcome and feel free to see my older posts for more tips, success.
Unfortunately there will always be those that seek attention and they dont care how they attract it. However that does not mean we need to pay them any attention, because as we can see from this example it results in all out war, bitterness and ill feelings and ultimately in destruction. Best not to get caught up in this. But I agree, why cant we just all help one another?
You are right, better thrown in our advise for this to stop between them but dont get involve in the fight...It can destroy someone chance here isnt it?
Hmm, wondered what was going on between these two.
Dont you know them? use the link in my post to check out Berniesanders posts and you will understand what is going on..I guess that it is a long issue and has gotten out of hand...
I was not aware of this particular issue. They have had disagreements for a while.
Yes, I hope that they will compromise and make peace
post that I love @charles1
What do you love about the post?
Some people enjoy abusing their powers on Steemit. Sadly even our top tier guys are into it. You are right, it has to stop, or these stupid wars will stop the wheel of Steemit entirely. Steemit is still in Beta and this kind of bitterness poisons the whole community.
Good point, I agree with you.
@blueorgy what do you think about this issue...as witness , you have to read this and take action
welcome
Hi @charles1, I see you have mentioned me.
This is automatic response so that I may respond to your mention later.
welcome , try to help resolve the issue
@banjo can you and your time help to resolve this issue?
welcome
I agree fully with you
It is so bad for all of us
I hate any kind of war
More enegry love is needed
Thanks for sharing
Great content
Great steemain you are
Good point, thanks for your comment
Congratulations @charles1!
Your post was mentioned in the hit parade in the following category:
welcome and thanks
Hello charles,
Thank for you post.
I am 50yrs old and new to social media, Steemit only.
I recently was attacked for alleged Spamming.
With a Free society whom deems Spam spam?
Human Rights, do no harm... If no harm is done, just block someone... I do not agree with attacking their reputation score.
I had a (50) by the end of one day I was (5)
Only a chickenshit coward attacks a man/womans reputation without facing and talking with them.
I do not like the Flagging system here on Steemit... block the dicks that are purposefully spamming
Flagging will be the cause to the END of steemit if they don't correct it soon.
You are right @healthiswealth I hope people will reason better before they flag someone...sometimes you can just ignore and warn the person ...keep steeming to more success and thanks for your comment
Anytime Charles1
Be well my new friend!
welcome and more success to you bud
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Thank you I did not know about this and enjoyed learning here for the first time!
You are welcome Jerry. Would you please send in your support because your support will be very helpful to me. Thanks a lot for your comment and pls see my older posts-am sure that you will find them great.
Glad I'm not in any war with anyone on Steemit. Ugh that sounds like no fun at all. :) Thanks for this info. Hopefully they can resolve it. :)
welcome, hopefully they will stop their wars and focus on more positive things
I totally agree.. we should unite to one big happy family but human nature is a strange thing! I'm sure they will figure something out!
Hopefully they will grow up and act maturely..thanks for your good comment
Wow, thank you for charles1. Great post. Having allowed myself to have been led astray a few times on my journey in life, I am trying to get a little wiser now. I have been wondering who and what the leadership in steemit is all about, and could efforts that I put in to help build this community be wasted in the future, and the people I encourage be let down. A couple of us have started a Steemit group here in Chiang Mai, (and had 25 new people at it last night, all keen to get started) as there are 1,000's of Nomads going through here and I have also started recruiting friends I have to contribute to our page, hence our name. However, i do have a weary eye on which way the wind blows, and have been concerned that the power at the top of steemit could be wishy washy and sell out there power in the future to you know who. A billion $ offer or whatever to a few disgruntled whales, would be tempting, and once again we would be under the control of those we all desperately know we have to get away from.
I have a bit to say, so I will let it all out. In my real life, I do a bit of international marketing, and I was talking to a colleague in Australia a couple of weeks ago, and she told me 13 of the men she knew of in the area had committed suicide recently, ( I know this may sound irrelevant to this discussion, but I will get to the point quickly), I also have several of my friends trying to convinced of a dismal future, due to robotisation of jobs etc.. And I can see it myself, especially as we get older and have to compete for the scarce jobs that will become available.
And speaking to my grown up children, they have no idea what the future will bring.
From the conditioning we are undergoing, the world of 5 years from now looks like few jobs, and because of competition, very menial wages.. and many other effects, such as health.. etc,
( So the depression problems in the future will be worse than has happened in the community I spoke about)
So putting it in a nutshell, my opinion is that our society has been waylaid, and to take our power back we need to work together. All leaders have differences of opinion and strong wills, which is good, otherwise they wouldn't have got to where the are, against many odds. But those strong wills are a two edged sword and can easily destroy there own good work, as has happened with many leaders in the past.
My suggestion to these two guys and there councillors, look first to where they agree on their visions for themselves and what the want to create, both in life and in Steemit as a starting point and work back from there to where they disagree. I am sure where they agree will be a strong point, as would have been the case when they first started and got involved with steemit, even if they don't like each other, they can agree to disagree, and put that aside to be dealt separately.
So Start where they agree.. otherwise both of their visions will be destroyed..
I personally have a very positive view for the future, but we must get some control on the media that controls our minds, and with the potential for stemmit to take on facebook, become a social movement, ? I think that is a possibility. But only with aligned leadership.
It would be good to get an idea, what other people think the world will look like in 5 years going in its current direction and if its worth putting the effort in to change course. So thank you @charles1 for giving me to put in my effort. ))
PS, charles1, I saw you mentioned assisting another contributor to this discussion, about creating an ICO. I have an idea re the above about doing this, and I would appreciate the opportunity to discuss it with you..
@quantummonks you wrote a very wise comment and I agree with your wisdom!!! wow. Good point and I hope these gentlemen will see all these good comments and compromise. Feel free to contact me on steemit chat for the ICO discussion . My ID is Charles1
I was looking for my previous post as a reference when I encountered your comment in one of my blogs. I was not aware at all that you had a comment there. So, I tried to look for your account.
Obviously, something is going on in our steemit community.
The value of the steem has significantly spirally gone down.
Knowing what's happening between @berniesanders and @dan
has been a great loss for us minnows. As reference to what you just said. Whales upvote are very much essential to make our steemit alive and happy.
I myself has been longing to see whales visiting and upvoting my post.
I also support some posts that I considered worth upvoting.
But I also want for you to take notice how the resteem/upvoting spam business here in the community. New accounts are created just to upvote and resteem. I don't think this is helping our steemit community to grow.
I like reading your blogs and you're very good at it. Giving us the information we really need to know.
I hope you find time again to visit my blog.
Great job! Thank you very much @charles1
Good point, I hope that they focus their time on other important issues ...thanks for your comment
@charles1 Excellent Tale. Awesome you ended up in the position to hustle your way out of your respective condition.
@juninalethia what do you think about the flagging post
you are welcome and thanks for your comment
@brittansiusan what is intriguing about it? what happened to your reputation?
You are welcome @emmalynnemiriam , thanks and you have an awesome big smile..I like it a lot, Feel free to see my posts for tips to be more successful here.