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RE: How I became a "self-hating Jew"

in #truth7 years ago

Oh dear, i feel like you have not been in Israel yet. Arabs and Jews live together side by side. North of Israel has a lot of druse people and they are very friendly. All i hear in your video is speaking out against jews. Which i actually feel offensive. Saying that jews kill palestinians is questionable. How can you hate such a small country that has been hunted in literally every country around the world. Why do you think no jews live in surrounding arab states? because they were hunted and needed to flee to Israel. Palestinians are the weapon of those surrounding arab states. That explains why palestinians have not wanted a 2 state solution for 6 times in the past, while Israel always gave a yes. Now i fell Israel tries different scenarios to deal with this everlasting conflict. Bottom line I think you have so little knowledge of both sides that you fall for those lies that need to be spread by some palestinians.

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Oh deary me indeed. More of the same responses Carey was talking about in that very video. Everybody that talks any sense is called an anti-semite or a self-hating Jew or even a hater of freedom and democracy. Please. These labels are used and overused over and over again to try and block people from a rational, moral and logical debate and those who use them willy-nilly are harming their own cause because people are not buying this ^%$#& anymore.

Ok, let's give you the benefit of the doubt and engage in a sensible respectful debate and see how long that lasts without me being called an anti-semite or something along those lines.

You ask "Why do you think no Jews live in the surrounding Arab states?" and then you suggest that they were hunted and needed to flee to Israel. First off, Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews still exist in the Levant and wider middle east such as Yemen, Morrocco, Iran, etc. Many have immigrated to Israel yes but not all. Jews have existed all over the middle east for centuries and yet they suddenly decide to "flee"? why? If there was an intrinsic hate towards Jews in the Middle East then how do you explain the fact that they survived there for centuries without being hunted or persecuted? Some would argue that it is because of Israel and it's wars with the Arab states and the black flag operations conducted in the arab world to scare the jews and force them into immigrating to Israel. The Ashkenazi migrants were simply not enough to complete the one million Jewish migrant goal established by the early zionist leaders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Plan

Mezrahi and Sephardic Jews are still being treated like third class citizens in Israel and forced to be cut out from their Arabic culture and heritage.

then you go on to say that the Palestinians ar ethe weapons of surrounding arab states? and that they have "not wanted a 2 state solution for 6 times in the past?" They say the devil is in the details but I say the devil is in superficially shallow interpertations. Not once were the Palestinians offered a sovereign state side by side with the Israelis with East Jerusalem as their capital. All the so called offers were basically self rule over a prison or like the reservations indigenous Americans got from the US. These so called solutions were offered specifically because the Israelis knew that the Palestinians had more dignity and self respect than to accept them and that is ultimately the goal of all Israeli "negotiations". To extend the status quo for as long as they can.

And maybe saying that Jews kill Palestinians is indeed questionable but saying that Israeli IDF forces kill Palestinians routinely and on a day to day basis is most defenitely true.

Aw, looks like your propaganda was flagged down to zero! Better call in your troll patrol!

I find this to be true far too often. The people who make the most noise about the conflict are the ones who understand it the least. I think Bibi's rhetoric and policies are incredibly unhelpful for moving towards peace, but the situation is far more nuanced than anyone can understand without having been there. I've been to the West Bank, I've been in settlements, I've been in the rest of Israel. Life is relatively peaceful most of time. Gaza is a terrible situation, but Hamas is bears much of the blame for that.