Github Pull Request
https://github.com/steemit/redeemer-irredeemables/pull/24#pullrequestreview-140404321
Pull Request Goal
To eliminate all current known Steemit Defense League (SDL) troll accounts. Currently, the SDL has 108 accounts abusing Steemit Inc delegation (~15 SP each) to maliciously flag users. As of now, all 108 accounts have had their delegation successfully removed making them 0.100 Steem Power accounts.
This reduces the bandwidth they have available to flag and dramatically reduces the flagging power. I try to assure users the size of the flags (1/10th of a cent) is so insignificant it doesn't even remove rewards. It still causes stress and frustration to new users who are not accustomized to being flagged.
What is the Steemit Defense League?
Steemit Defense League is the creation of spammer @camillesteemer who after being flagged for spam and plagiarism decided to create accounts abusing Steemit Inc sign up delegation to flag anyone who flagged him. Over time the flags started to target anyone who supported those who flagged him and eventually just randomly targeting anyone and everyone.
While the flags are meaningless at only 1/10th of a cent, they have confused, frustrated, and disheartened a lot of Steemians. There are a number of good projects by @anthonyadavisii, @guiltyparties, and @berniesanders to counter the meaningless but annoying flags by @camillesteemer.
Recently @camillesteemer started to target specific accounts with their username and branding to make users feel they were being flagged by them adding to the confusion. Latest attempts have used sexually suggestive user profiles to flag people.
Current Steemit Defense League
a-alphasteem
a-cmsidl
alandirlo
aloader
altrei
astalavasti
a-steemdefleague
astipmonkey
azobifly
baissetonfroc
besttopsteemer
bestwebmaster
biendanstoncul
bitosanusos
botabuserreport
botabuserreports
botmaxu745
calipsuy
camillesteemer
carolusmagnus
charlesbiters
charlesdeherstal
christisthebest
churchillfan
cleversteem
coolanalp
cosmosteemer
crackboom
crigmarlo
cyberdroid
danstoncul
dernu
dertluc
dervuptli
donaldducky
estellereuh
fertipo
fertuis
fongopot
foodstreem
friendtoppriest
fushcarbon
geradunlo
gladiatorwork
goidt
hilonrima
houla
huehen
icebergbitos
ilikesteemit
jeanmaloro
jeanmarlo
jetenculeprofond
jilophu
johnrevelator
jupitersaturn
jupitor21
kissmylips
lopusazuli
magasintop1
marcfrelon2
marystone
maxitov
mybestnews
nice-steemer
niquetarace
numerusclosus
oiepassive
pequenacapa
petitzob
poritoza
poustackiev
pusatutchu
qsedtylo
retiredworld
sesamcrs
stb138
steembotalpha
steemcontractor
steemcorrect
steemitfamily
steemittopfan
steempioneer
steempohu
steempolki
steemprovider
steemtwitting
stormstblogger
strumo
sucemabite
superfipo
superlove
tinant
topfongo1
topfrsteemer
topmaxsteem
toronsteem
treedain
trollshunter
trucmipo
usertelor
velomasty
vladimirtopiev
worldsteemian
ytcomcenter2
zartyo
zorralarousse
zorrolopiu
Future
I will continue to research new Steemit Defense League accounts and submit them for removal on a regular basis.
Witness
If you want to see more of this sort of abuse removed from Steemit, please consider voting me as witness as I spend a large portion of my time-fighting spam, plagiarism, abuse, and fraud.
@fionmaxi
Yet another account for your attention
Thanks for doing this @themarkymark
Got another one here: https://steemd.com/@atartouine
The sad thing is that real users have to wait 3 weeks for their free steemit account approval and at the same time we see dozens of free accounts used for this nonsense flagging.
@callunabot
Also appears to be SDL.
Really god job @themarkymark :) but a question... It is technical possible to remove accounts from steem? Or the remove means to flag, blacklist, etc..?
No, there is no current system in place to disable/remove accounts. An account can choose to make their stake non-voting, which takes 30 days to activate but that's it. This was put in place to give Steemit Inc a way to enter into an irreversible contract on the blockchain it would not vote with their stake. Any account can choose to use this feature but it cannot be reversed once executed.
Outside of that, there is no way to kill an account with the current blockchain rules outside of countering their votes with flags.
Doing so would change the game dramatically and would likely result in a lot of users leaving the platform if their investment could be nuked, even if they were not a bad actor, just the fact it was possible is enough to scare off a lot of people.
If you think about the logistics it is very disturbing. I would assume you would use witnesses to mediate this type of thing, there is one user that significantly controls who is in the top 50 much less top 20. Absolute control is down to a handful of powerful votes. This creates a system where very few people can put a lot of pressure on key people to influence this type of decision. If you leave it up to the users, how do you determine a pass/fail? It cannot be on 50% or even 70%, out of the 1M+ accounts only 50K or so are really active.
If someone can't nuke someone else's account then how would you explain this quote from someone named dreemit to me a couple weeks back: If she wanted to, if she was the type of person you are making her out to be, she could flag your account to zero. It's not the first time someone suggested such a thing. I didn't agree with a couple other people when I first came to the site on a topic and they both told me if I replied back again I'd be flagged to zero.
I was having a conversation the other day with someone about the opinion of the SEC Chairman on crypto currency, his opinion was that it's a mistake to think that tokens don't have value and that when used/exchanged it should be treated the same as a cash transaction and that crypto's/tokens fall under the same regulatory regulations of state and federal banking laws, which means that anybody striking someone's wallet down to zero over not liking a comment is against the law, their wallet is as protected as any bank account someone may hold. I would assume that doing so out of fraud and abuse would be different but he didn't hit on that subject. You can read his whole testimony on crypto currencies here:
https://www.sec.gov/news/testimony/testimony-virtual-currencies-oversight-role-us-securities-and-exchange-commission
Nobody can remove any STEEM/SBD in your balance (or unclaimed post rewards), except for you.
However, someone with a lot of SP could remove the pending rewards on all your posts/comments less than 7 days old.
"Flagging to zero" means flagging an account until their rep is (0) or (-1).
When your rep is that low you posts and comments look greyed out, but they are not invisible.
I suppose the rep never recovers?
not without votes
Steemit Inc actually hasn't revoked their voting ability, despite them being able to.
Also, accounts can effectively be destroyed, if enough witnesses ignore transactions by a certain user. It would also help if a lot of P2P nodes discard those transactions too.
Well.. think I got it, anyway like everywhere there always some Injustice and we have to manage them the best way we can.
Let's Steem On and chillout!
It's probably for the best that accounts can't be deleted - that could risk censorship. I mean, if accounts get knocked down to .1 SP they might as well not exist anyway when it comes to downvoting.
I never understood the reasoning or desire some have to do nothing more with their time and energy than to try to destroy someone else. Whatever happened to if you do not like something don't look at it, read it or engage with it.
Hi @themarkymark I have another one here. Thank you for your work.
https://steemd.com/@johnblackfield
On my list for the next batch, thanks.
Your welcome
Thanks for the contribution.
First of all, it's a great job that you are doing for the Steem network users, thank you.
Blog posts category in Utopian is mainly focused on the projects promotion. For this reason, it's really important to present good looking posts, with detailed, original and understandable information about the projects.
Your submission format is good, but the content is focused in an update about new accounts that their delegation has been revoked, and not in the redeemer-irredeemables repository (project). Looking at your previous posts, I have found some posts with very similar content to this one, and it's important for the category that each publication is original and offers new values to the project. Similar posts in which you only add a report about new SDL accounts can hardly fit the category.
Also, when I visit the repository in Github, I see a repository only with .txt files, and is hard to understand how it connects with the Redeemer application and how it works.
A more suitable approach for the blog posts category could be write your post trying to explain to new users what is the Redeemer application, how it works and how is helping them, the goal is to make the projects known to users.
Thank you for your work.
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utopian-iotag on these posts.It's a good thing that all that delegated steem power for signing up has been taken away from those accounts.
Thanks @themarkymark! You @nextgencrypto and @timcliff seem to be the only ones who really care about this. I don't know what the community would do if we didn't have you.
I'm just trying to make my reputation up with my hard work and not understand much about a lot of things but when people using this community to make easy money it will be really painful for people like me. Thanks @themarkymark for your contribution.
Steemit is very good work i like it sir i am new user on steemit
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STOPTo support your work, I also upvoted your post!
Just got downvoted by this one a few hours ago:
https://steemd.com/@fionsamerica
It might be one of them too. Account created today (July 28) and has already been flagging a lot of people.
Thanks
I only hope more of them won't come for me just because I decided to comment on your post. I had gotten flagged twice by the old ones too, and it gave me the impression that they flagged me just because I had unwittingly upvoted a post by someone else they had flagged... their flags may be worth very little, but it feels bad when I upvote a post to support someone or to join a contest, and then get flagged because the author in question happened to be in their hit list.
What is the process to get the STINC delegation withdrawn from an account? Are they basing it on your blacklist? I only realised recently that this was happening and it's good that it does to counter some of the abuse here. I'm curious as to how people manage to get so many accounts created. I've seen some people with a set of numbered accounts voting them up. I would think that would be easy to detect when validating accounts. A simple database query would do the job. I understand that HF20 will help matters as new accounts will not require a delegation. I hope we will see that soon. It was promised in 'early Q3 2018' and that's where we are now.
Thanks for your efforts to make Steem/Steemit a better place.
There is the Steemit Inc Redeemer - Irredeemables project.
I just found that yesterday. I assume there are a limited set of people who are trusted to update the lists. I think this should be better known. Maybe we need a little more on the FAQ
Thanks
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You just mentioned berniesanders has a useful project to counter these people. But his fake abuse service downvotes me just cause I wrote a post to expose that his @abuseservice flags people he doesnt like for his own benefit. I used to think you were one of the legit people on here but now I am having my doubts. https://steemit.com/abuse/@netscape101/what-happens-when-you-write-some-true-journalism-on . Bernie if you are reading this just remember that you can downvote me all you want on here but my presence on the internet is not limited to steemit.
Bernie I have something very special waiting for you.
Another one for you: https://steemit.com/@kipotusong
Many thanks for pursuing this
I got two panppeter and beinprofre
Have those two for the next update, thanks.