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RE: Clarification of my stance on vaccines, and why mandatory vaccination is definitely an issue pertinent to Anarcho-Capitalism/Voluntaryism. PLUS: OPEN INVITATION TO FORMAL DEBATE.

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There are likely chance side effects of vaccines, but the benefits far outweigh the down sides.

We now live in a world where ensuring our future safety from disease is as simple as getting a shot. Yes, vaccines make people sick. That's the point. Vaccines should be mandatory for any child that will be in close proximity to other human beings.

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There are likely chance side effects of vaccines, but the benefits far outweigh the down sides.

How can I possibly know that the benefits outweigh the downsides when the tens of hundreds of claims submitted to the VAERS database, the stories of countless parents, and peer-reviewed, published scientific studies suggesting further research are promptly and summarily ignored by the medical community?

In the rare case of "vaccine injury", which I still don't blame the vaccine itself for, I would MUCH rather have a child be injured by a preventative treatment than to die from something that could have been treated.

Again, how can you do an accurate risk/benefit analysis with data that is ignored?

Are tons of children dying from vaccines? Because tons of children are dying from preventable diseases like measles...

Yes, TONS of children are dying from vaccines. It is usually called SIDS.

The medical community for the most part is not acknowledging it.
But sometimes they do acknowledge it to the parents, and even file vaccine adverse reaction reports, yet the media and medical world will never talk about those events. They just keep assuring us that a vaccine reaction is one in a million, when that CLEARLY is not the case.

I have a good friend who had her first vaccine at age 5, and immediately stopped breathing and had to be resuscitated and hospitalized for 5 months while they tried to save her life. Her doctors fully acknowledge that it was the vaccine.

And I have several other friends whose children have had terrible reactions to vaccines.

Look at my blog here on Steemit to hear many, many more stories of vaccine injury.

I still believe those stories are rare in the grand scheme. Every one of my friends and family have been vaccinated, all my friends' children are vaccinated, save a couple people, every single person I know has been vaccinated. For some reason though, of all those hundreds or maybe thousands of shots, I'd never even heard of vaccine injury until social media became a thing. Now, maybe vaccine injury is just rare in my area, but I doubt that.

SIDS doesn't exist btw. It never did. It's a catch-all term when a doctor can't pinpoint what caused the death. If a child dies from a vaccine, it's not SIDS.

10% maybe of adults is up to date on their vaccines. I have only had the dtap after getting cut at work once since grade 10. Vaccines do not work forever. I never get sick. So saying one wass vaccinated as a child means nothing now as an adult if one does not get periodic boosters, which then make you an infectious carrier again. In some places even pregnant woman are vaccinated WTF! The schedule for children now is criminal. They even want to give infants vaccines that are defending against sexual transmitted diseases, again WTF. Most 'outbreaks' are in areas where a vaccine push has just happened. No actual study has been done to show vaccine safety or effectiveness. You never heard of vaccine injury before because the companies that make them are NOT allowed to be filed against or sued. Also you have heard of it, as autoimmune diseases, diseases related to digestion, neurological damage in many forms. The lists go on. To properly understand what is happening here, one must understand birth and early childhood development. When one grasps that importance properly, they would never consider vaccinating a child to be a good thing. Once they are 3 go for it if it makes a person feel good. Before then, it sets a child up for so many problems with health. And who gets paid for a sick kid. The same fucking people who male the vaccines.

I still believe those stories are rare in the grand scheme.

Belief is the problem. Thinking and knowing is the aim.

Because tons of children are dying from preventable diseases like measles…

Bullshit. People used to have their kids play together if the measles started going around so their kids could get it over with. You don't do that with a deadly disease.

A 1962 issue of Parents’ Magazine & Better Homemaking stated that, “Measles has always been accepted as part of the growing-up process, as much a part of childhood as stubbed toes and dirty hands.” In fact, some parents even organized measles parties. According to a 1960 article in the Los Angeles Times entitled “‘Measles Parties’ Put Spots on Tots,” this was a growing trend in Canada, where parents wanted their children to come down with the disease before adulthood. quoted from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-d-moreno/will-measles-parties-retu_b_14479732.html

They don't want people having measles parties again because it would expose the lie that measles is deadly.

"tons" of people are dying from measles? Stats or it's a lie.

~ from a measles survivor from the measles party era

This is a false dichotomy.

What about the percentage of people that the vaccines kill outright? Mandatory vaccination is murder.

A lot less than fast food does. Making your children eat trash is harmful to them.

Eating fast food is voluntary. No one is trying to make it mandatory, except probably the McMarketing department.

This doesn't answer the question @lifeworship asked. And injecting trash into you children is more harmful because at least in the digestive system the body has a chance to fight, since the digestive system is a large part of the immune system and injecting bypasses that part of the immune system.

This does not endorse fast food, because you're right about that, it's trash and shouldn't be eaten.

Do you even science, bro? Did you just say injecting something bypasses part of the immune system?

Do you even know what the scientific method is or how it works? How about the structure of the English language? Bro.

The only worse injection site than injecting pathogens and/or toxins into the body or blood would be to inject it directly into the brain. Yes, it bypasses the formidable 'first responders' of the immune system.

The entire point to vaccination is to expose someone to a pathogen. It's the only way your body is going to learn to fight it. What gets injected is far weaker, and in less volume, than if you naturally come in contact with the disease.

At least I'll be able to say that my children will likely never get another child sick with something that I can help prevent.

The entire point to vaccination that we are fed by the industry is based on lies. This is clearly demonstrated by the increase in polio cases where vaccination was employed.
http://vaxtruth.org/2012/03/the-polio-vaccine-part-2-2/

Don't worry, the references are at the bottom of the article.

You can say that your children will likely never get another child sick with something that you can help prevent, but will it be true?

“A huge proportion of your immune system is actually in your GI tract,” says Dan Peterson, assistant professor of pathology at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/research/advancements-in-research/fundamentals/in-depth/the-gut-where-bacteria-and-immune-system-meet

The GI tract is part of the digestive system. Last I heard an arm or leg, where they usually give the shot, is not part of the digestive system.

Maybe someone else needs to science.

Edited to add: Do you have the stats for the "tons" of children dying from the measles yet btw? Or an answer to @lifeworship's question?

I have like six people responding to everything I say. No, I don't have the time to do a bunch of google searches to prove my point to people who I don't care to sway. I have children to take care of. Arguing with anti-vaxxers is kinda like arguing with faith. It's pointless for me to continue

It seems to me that those who don't have time to do research are the ones living on faith alone.

Your frustration in arguing may lie in the fact that you have presented NO actual arguments.

But just to humor you... The World Health Organization states that around 145,000 people died from measles in 2013 alone.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/mmrdeaths.asp

Sorry, but Snopes is no better than wikipedia, which I purposely stayed away from in any of my comments on this article.

We can agree to disagree and even find other topics we can agree on. I can respect you have to do what you think is best for your children. But I should also be respected for doing what I think is best for mine. :)