Like I said, @lordbutterfly ... we live in different worlds. Different values. I find your perspective almost as difficult to believe as you find mine.
I leave you with the thought that the volunteers with the project bigger than Hive, with their viewpoint, have INCREASED the value of the assets in ten years, although in fairness, not being in crypto with its cycles helps, and being in a city that rarely has drops in certain key sectors of the economy helps. But the work that was put in sits out like gold in the city's middle skyline, and is a model for the state doing more along the same line to benefit many thousands and tens of thousands more people.
When I think of Hive, I tend to think of it like that in the crypto world, and even with some of the things VP supports, I see that standout legacy quality. The way Vibes and Hivefest have changed people's lives ... that's got that quality. The way community boreholes are fresh water that lasts and lasts... that's got that quality. Good accounting -- again, not talking about GAAP, but the things VP did in 2023 as a base standard -- is a good way to tell a legacy story, too. Just a thought for the year-end wrap up and inevitable Q1 proposal time period.
If Vibes didnt bring in users and generate views and attention outside Hive it would not exist, simple as that. Any good it does for people is a consequence of that. If it stops doing that, I will be the first to cut it. And mind you, once our entries dropped from 500 per week to 200 (as a consequence of Hive price going down from 50 cents) it did cross my mind. But then ofc I adjusted some things to pull more value from community itself with the promo videos they do that often generate 1000-6000 views per video.
And I can tell you 100% that it is not run optimally. Theres so much more that could be done with it but its not possible precisely due to it being voluntary work and putting in work as if it was a full time job is not realistic or possible.
Again, @lordbutterfly ... we live in different worlds. I have read enough proposals from VP and enough comments from you to know that the people and the life change good that VP is doing do not matter one bit -- it's just there for the public relations. I knew that. I was waiting for you to say it, and you have. I know that is true for the community wells as well, because VP is clear on who it really wants. Remember how this conversation started? Remember the proposal from September 22, and how the proposal describes who is best for Hive? Y'all do not want the people you have to play ball with for now. Y'all want those higher-net worth business-owning individuals that you describe here ...
And like I said, that same proposal suggests where VP thinks most of those people are from ... despite the fact that they are ALSO not motivated with Hive below 50 cents ... but we know that from the global data already about who actually is the most motivated to adopt crypto.
I don't know if you have studied the crypto cycle at all ... but if you ever do, along with the crypto adoption data at hand, you will know why I spent a day or so, talking about the values that I have, for the sake of Hive, long-term. Being ready at every moment to throw the kind of people under the bus who carried the chain through the last bear may "work" in 2024 and perhaps through 2025 because of the cycle itself. But, 2026 through half of 2028 will likely be a different story if the last three cycles are any indication ... and the level of hard feelings about Hive, and the accusations, will be running up all the while. As someone who knows what it takes to manage a 75-year legacy bigger than Hive itself, I just happen to know that short-term "extracting value" thinking does not generally lead to good long-term results.
But we live in different worlds ... different values, different goals, different experiences. I fully understand where you stand.
No. Ofc it matters. Who said it doesnt matter? There is a give and take. Now this is just my view of things and Ive disagreed with other people in VP over it but I dont think there is enough "give" from a few of these projects and theyre not getting enough attention for what theyre receiving and I would personally cut them. There needs to be a reciprocity because Hive isnt a charity as many think.
And thats good because a system where all parties can receive value is a well functioning system.
If the boreholes generated any significant amount of attention and gotten us significant exposure id fly out to Ghana and go dig them water wells myself by hand.
Look. Having more users is great. I want more people here as well but id take 1 high networth individual that will commit his time and money to Hive over the whole user base of Hamster Combat for example, because I know what Hamster Combat users are about. Theres your regional focus and targeting high adoption areas.
There is a huge difference between builders and those that are simply looking to extract value. And Im not just talking about from the economic sense. Theres also a third group of user id love to get here but theyre so tiny in % in my view and our dapps simply dont offer what would satisfy them.
Guess theyre not as motivated under 50 cents.
No No No.. Lets not kid ourselves here. People who carried this chain are very well known. We dont get to point at a group and say they "carried the chain" simply because they showed up. Its very clear whats required to "carry a chain". Posting every day is not it.
And that is why I will take 1 high net worth individual over every single user that is gone once the price dumps a bit, every single complainer over downvotes, that is a thorn in the side of those actually putting in work every day to make something of this place.
I guess Hive seems to be REQUIRED to give and give, ask for no reciprocity and take shit while giving some more.
And we will keep on working!