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RE: Convince Me! Challenge: Why you still eat meat (extended deadline and update)

in #vegan7 years ago

Justification to others ( in anything, not just this) is a defense mechanism based in guilt or need of approval of some kind.

ergo, if you have no guilt or need of approval you cannot attempt to justify...It makes no sense.

Justification only inhabits the world of the guilty or insecure...
(or part of the 3% of sociopaths of the population -but that isn't really justification, more of a dynamic to 'appear' like it's justification....i'll stop now)

...just sayin.

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LOL true =). I already know you have no guilt @lucylin =) I guess I should change the word "justify" to "explain". I don't want anyone to feel guilty lol

I already know you have no guilt @lucylin

You can only have guilt if you think you have done something wrong. (and because I'm perfect, I'm fine! lol)

...don't worry - you can't make anyone feel guilty . You can only point them in that direction, the rest is down to them. lol

'Explanation' is still kind of a justification in this context. ...
(Now I'll shut up again)

Does that mean I can kill and eat people as long as I don't feel guilty? ._. Sweet!

Well, that's your choice - but you might find your tastes conflict with the authorities rules, and find yourself having a long stay in their accommodations (free of charge though, so it's not all bad)

Argument based on authority rather than morality.. Nice! That's the same mentality your government uses to exploit you and other humans. Nice to know you're keeping the tradition of predatory exploitation going!

I was actually being flippant - but your lack of sense of humor is not my responsibility.
..and my argument isn't based on authority - that's your issue.

From a serious perspective.... (seriously, about eating humans?)

Does that mean I can kill and eat people as long as I don't feel guilty? ._. Sweet!

If you feel you have done nothing wrong, why wouldn't you?

Morality is a social construct for the benefit of individuals within societies.
(morality is a subjective code, not an absolute)

Morale codes cannot exist without an authority (from parents, to tribal elders, to the justice system)

That's the same mentality your government uses to exploit you and other humans.

government are political constructs of control. While they use morality as part of that constuct to control, they are not a moral agency.

Societies and their moral codes, superceded governments by millennia..

Nice to know you're keeping the tradition of predatory exploitation going!

If you consume products you are part of predatory exploitation yourself - but don't feel guilty about it. It's a natural dynamic

.....you are just being a little silly with these arguments.

..and my argument isn't based on authority - that's your issue.

That's why when I asked if I could eat humans using your reasoning you said the government wouldn't like it.. ??

I don't even think you understand your own reasoning, you are advocating from authority rather than morality.

"Morality is a social construct for the benefit of individuals within societies.
(morality is a subjective code, not an absolute)"

That's your opinion. I believe in an absolute form of morality. And neither of us can prove this, so.. That's why I say it's your opinion. I do think morality is woven into the fabric of existence. I do not think it is purely subjective, though there is a subjective element clearly or else someone like you wouldn't be advocating for treatment to be done to others which you would never want done to you or your loved ones, just because they are a different species and aren't human.

The rest of what you said is either inaccurate or irrelevant. PS. I'd rather you don't respond. I'm super busy and don't have time to argue with people who have sold their soul and gave up their morality and compassion and who argue for the mistreatment and exploitation of other beings.