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RE: The HIVE FREEDOM PROXY: Over $1.7M Worth of Hive Witness Votes Available For Serious Free Speech Witnesses.

in #witness3 years ago

Lol, none of them apply to downvoting.

So many of this group "know all the youtubers, all the rich investors, all the..." but none will come here because of downvoting. 5 years I have been here, five years of the same impotent protestations.

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You have literally no way of knowing whether you are correct about the perceptions of such people you have never met. If you think I would lie about such things for no apparent reason then you clearly don't know me or have any respect in your soul.

With regards the logic of the definitions provided in the context of downvoting. Downvoting applies to the action of expressing messages on Hive, with intent to be heard by others by:

  • putting down (in reach) by authority or force (of stake)
  • to keep from public knowledge - in extreme cases by zeroing accounts and setting them on perma mute (I'm sure this would already have been done to my account if I didn't already have a high enough rep to prevent it).
  • to stop or prohibit the publication or revelation of suppress the test results.. If posts contain that kind of information, the this applies.
  • to exclude from consciousness. posts that are muted due to zero rep or just removed from trending are automatically excluded from consciousness. consciousness effectively means 'noticing'. we cannot easily notice what is nearly invisible and most will not.
  • to inhibit the growth or development of. This obviously applies 100% to downvoting.

Dude - you are digging deep for those trash connections.

I will just comment on the last one... Inhibit the growth and debe moment of what? Hive rewards? Say what you want, it doesn't mean it will earn. That is not censorship - no one is stopping people from speaking here.

What you guys should do, is create your own interface like dozens of other people have done. Then, you can do all you want there, see all you want. You don't need downvotes, you can tokenized it how you want and, everything will still be immutably written to the Hive, censorship-resistant blockchain. No issues.

Oh, you won't earn Hive necessarily though. But that doesn't matter, since the only thing that is important is having your words seen by the millions of people who care about them.

Inhibit the growth of social accounts, their reach/audience and by extension, also possibly limit the growth of Hive as a whole. Obviously, people will debate whether Hive itself is being limited or not as it is difficult to measure without solid and consistent analysis of traffic metrics (which I don't have access to, but it is part of my job to analyse such data). According to dictionary definitions, the behaviour is indeed censorship - I have no interest or time to try to convince anyone here - the truth does not need to be convincing.

Layer 2 solutions are in process, yes. We would already have our own layer 2 space but a key team member had to drop out for a while and so things were delayed. Having everyone sharing the same rewards pool IS definitely limiting Hive's growth, that is for sure.

Inhibit the growth of social accounts, their reach/audience and by extension, also possibly limit the growth of Hive as a whole.

Nope, downvotes don't do that. If anything, they can actually help an account to grow and get support - well, if they don't incessantly complain about how unfair and "illegal" downvotes are.

Obviously, people will debate whether Hive itself is being limited

The only people I have seen "argue" this are people who believe they are getting censored.

According to dictionary definitions, the behaviour is indeed censorship - I have no interest or time to try to convince anyone here - the truth does not need to be convincing.

"legit"

Having everyone sharing the same rewards pool IS definitely limiting Hive's growth, that is for sure.

I has not been "the same pool" for nigh on four years - where have you been? Alternate interfaces that show/hide different kinds of content have been around since 2016 - Remember Busy.org? That showed nuked content that didn't appear on steemit.com. Your key person must have been out for a very long time.

I has not been "the same pool" for nigh on four years - where have you been? Alternate interfaces that show/hide different kinds of content have been around since 2016 - Remember Busy.org? That showed nuked content that didn't appear on steemit.com. Your key person must have been out for a very long time.

I'm not sure you understand how the reward pool on layer 1 works. There is only one reward pool that is shared by all the UIs. PeakD, Hive.Blog and the other sites all display posts from the same blockchain database and the rewards are drawn from the same single rewards pool. I have no idea what you are talking about tbh.

I'm not sure you understand how the reward pool on layer 1 works. There is only one reward pool that is shared by all the UIs.

I know precisely how it works - but layer-two options have been around since about 2018 if i remember correctly.

I have no idea what you are talking about tbh.

You are talking about the suppression of content - busy didn't hide it. You could have done the same for almost 6 years now. You have been around longer than me - you should get organized with that interface already.

Layer 2 options exist, but the majority of stake is in layer 1 - with layer 2 posts also accruing (potentially) layer 1 tokens. There is no reliable layer 2 token for either general content or 'truth' content that is beyond the focus and reach of the current layer 1 large downvoters yet, so most content creators currently end up having a focus on layer 1. There are plenty of people who don't even understand how layer 2 works - please remember that most people don't have the time/focus into things like Hive that perhaps you and others you speak with do.

I personally had built a social network before Steem existed (more than one actually) and I built it with the intention of solving the problem of my own online censorship (which was real and unusually high even back then.. I have consistently been a top performing profile on any network that supports free speech and consistently not done well on silicon valley, controlled networks). Anyway, my intention has been to relaunch my own site as a Steem (now Hive) community, but SMTs took forever and Hive Engine has a high cost to entry that I personally cannot afford due to personal issues in my life atm. However, I am working on a layer 2 token as part of a team, which would have already been live except for factors outside of my control. Currently, I am looking to help the SPK network to lower the cost to entry and at that point all of these reward pool problems may be resolved, as communities will be empowered to action a 'Justin Sun Defence' strategy and just fork their community and coin if someone comes in with nefarious intentions.

I have said all of this multiple times in the past few days, both in the 3speak community session and in my posts and comments.