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RE: I Now Vote For @Deathwing's Witness & Pushed Him Into the Top 20 - After Talks About His Support & Understanding of Free Speech on Hive

in #witness3 years ago

I don't know about logiczombie, but lucylin is one of the most dishonest accounts on Hive and will do anything for attention. Perhaps if this wasn't the case, he wouldn't have firstly got the flags and even if he did, there would be people willing to counter them. You should use a different example.

I am aware of highly staked Hive users with ~10k accounts, probably more by now.

Such as? Bernie had a lot - but I don't think 10k. There was one dart account on Steem that was extracting with 8K accounts using the original Steem HP that was given to each account, but it was killed a long time ago through the introduction of a slight curve.

You've been flagged in the past and you also realize that if it was still ongoing to the degree it's now happening to logiczombie or lucylin you wouldn't be posting here anymore.

I have been flagged heavily by bernie and haejin - still posted - didn't complain about it, nor call people nazis, trannies, low IQ...

Use different example - these people aren't necessarily shining examples of society. Also, logiczombie flags me ;D

Flagging to control rewards is just greed.

No, it is not.

It's got no place on Hive, and the code should prevent it.

Convince people with stake to change it.

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Lucylin cultivates a disreputable manner, but he does not scam, spam, nor plagiarize. It is precisely because you don't like his content that it best represents your commitment to free speech. Supporting only speech you like isn't supporting free speech at all. That's exactly the position the censors like Goolag, Twatter, and Metard take.

"Such as?"

It has been a very long time, and I do not recall other details of the conversation which may have entailed expectatio of my discretion. I am not going to name them unless they themselves tell me it's ok.

"No, it is not."

Yes, it is. It serves no other purpose than to strip the upvotes of the community of their financial value, which is returned to the pool for the benefit of whales that consistently extract more than 90% of that value themselves. I confess after the Haejin/Bernie fiasco I quit paying much attention to that metric, so maybe that has changed a little, but I doubt it has changed much since then.

It serves no curative purpose.

Also, you sorta sidestepped my observation that if you were being flagged such that you still received no financial reward at all for it you would not be posting. We have both kept posting when flagged, but we have not been flagged for months on end, our reputations sent negative. I have watched as users here have stuck to their guns when flagged deeply into negative rep, been upvoted back, and flagged and upvoted back again. @skeptic was determined not to be silenced, and remains someone I miss for that example of indomitable will. Sadly, it seems not to have been enough to bring him back after his move.

That kind of flagging can be done, it has been done, it's being done, and it should not be done. It's contrary to the purpose of a platform dedicated to free speech and makes Hive no different than Twatter, Goolag, or Metard.

@edicted long ago published a detailed savings plan nominal to avail whales of substantial ROI without deranging curation, and I still recommend that mechanism as far superior to the current curation rewards scheme, which I still maintain should be abolished.

I am not seeing anything that changes my positions, and do not think I am giving you any new information that changes yours. I recall being shut down by a top 20 witness without substantive argument and no more reply than 'We disagree.' That isn't an example of reason and discussion leading to improvement in policy, but of money preventing it.

That's exactly the problem at issue.

His first post:
https://hive.blog/@lucylin/hello-steemit-i-m-lucy-my-first-post

Start here and work back
https://hiveblocks.com/@lucylin?page=1513

A man of stability
https://hive.blog/blog/@lucylin/4-strikes-and-i-m-out-there-are-no-coincidences

There are so many things wrong with that person and their behavior, that I find it interesting that this is who you choose to stake your reputation on. Nothing stops him posting here - He doesn't have to earn on it.

Yes, it is. It serves no other purpose than to strip the upvotes of the community of their financial value, which is returned to the pool for the benefit of whales that consistently extract more than 90% of that value themselves.

No. It benefits everyone who gets voted on. Whales generally don't vote on themselves 70x a week.

whales.And no, that wasn't @edicted - it was me who posted it, based on the conversations I had with

Witnesses are people, not gods, same with whales. They have their personal opinions too. Seriously, if you don't like the place, find somewhere you do like. This is the internet, there are millions of sites out there offering millions of different experiences. Funny though, that the most complaints about people threatening to leave (not you in this case) keep staying here because, this is one of the only ones they have a chance to earn on.

"...if you don't like the place, find somewhere you do like."

Despite my complete disgust at this common resort to the dialectic of failure, and my personal familiarity with Edicted's savings account plan from discussions with him, I recognize that there is no point in continuing to converse with you on this matter, so will allow you the last word.

lol - held onto that, yet you ignored all the rest.

and, I am quite serious about that comment. It isn't about "fuck off- go somewhere else" it is quite literally, if you or someone doesn't like being here, go find somewhere you like being. Why the hell stay? Are you a masochist?This is an opt-in platform and it also allows for opt-out - no one is forced to join, no one forced to interact, no one forced to do anything here.

Your cherry-picking tells a lot too.

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