Yeah kill all the babies because until they are out of the mother it is not considered murder.
Nobody said anything about killing all the babies.
Maybe stupid people shouldn't be getting prego if they are only going to abort the baby.
Who made you king to decide what other people can do with their bodies?
But yeah the fact that we have birth control to stop the murder of children must not matter.
Parasitic fetuses are not children until they are born.
LMFAO!
I did not say what people should do with their bodys, I said there is birth control so that baby murder does not need to happen. your response is asking if I should have the right to tell people what they should do with their bodys.
LOL
I have not said what they can and cant do to their kids, I was only saying their is an option out there so that we don't need to kill babies.
So I guess your question has nothing to do with my statement but it does raise other questions.
Are you supporting a persons right to get prego when their plan
is to kill the baby? If some girl said "I want to get prego so I can get an abortion" are you supporting that? If not then why does my comment about how people should be using birth control instead of killing the baby come down to me trying to tell someone what they can and cant do to their body?
There are some reasons I support abortion but I will not support someone to get an abortion when all they had to do was take a fucking pill to never get prego in the first place.
We arent talking about rape victims or people that will die giving birth or anything like that. we are talking about the average person making decisions that cost a life out of laziness.
I find it funny that they are parasitic until they are born but after you don't see them as parasitic for the first 18 years the are alive that you are required by law to take care of them properly.
What about premi babies? they are proof that they are alive before coming out of the mother naturally. So if it is ok to kill them day before they come out naturally, is it ok to also kill the babies that came out earlier or by operation?
You say the right to do what you want to your own body but when do you take into account the babies body and life? is it only after the mother has decieded to give the baby its rights by letting it come out of her?
IDK yo.
Oh, what about the fathers right? Does the father have any say in this process? what if a woman wants to or doesn't want to have a kid and the father wants the oppsite?
Is it ok to force the father to raise a kid they don't want or to let a mother kill the baby when the father wants it?
It has a lot more to it then just "well its in you so do what you want" in my opinion.
But whatever its just some kids life.
birth control is dictating what one should ingest or not thus it has to do with their bodies.
Are you really beggining the question through a strawman to make an ethical point to the extreme? Do you really believe that there are women outhere who think "Hmmm, let me get pregnant so i can get an expensive abortion and kill it. that will make me happy".
Google the word parasite. They can also be a parasite after they are born but then they don't endanger the mother's life.
I don't . it is irrelevant. Life A gives life to B. B can kill A by being a hostile parasite.A can decide at any moment to get rid of it. Really simple.
Nobody has a say when it comes to another person's body. Your body, your property.
It is not ok to force anyone to do anything.
It is not a strawman, it is something that is included with your position.
So question still stands.Do you support people that want to get prego only to get an abortion?
Yes there are women out there that want to get prego just so they can get an abortion. I have met one irl even. Calling it a strawman does not inform us on where you sit on the subject.
Ok I get it that you think all kids are parasites now. thank you for clearing that up.
Thank you for saying that you think babies have no rights.
You say the father has no rights what so ever when it comes to their kid because its in the mothers body. if you feel that way, what is your stance on forced fatherhood? how does the baby suddenly become property of the fathers only after it has been born? the day before the kid is born its not the fathers but the second it comes out of the mother no matter the age of the baby it suddenly becomes the fathers kid? is a baby that came out of the mother a month early the fathers when a baby that came out 2 weeks late not the fathers for a full month after the other baby that came out early?
You say it is not ok to force anyone to do anything but you are not taking into account the babys rights. also yor not taking into account forcing a man to have a kid agienst his will. we are not talking about raising the kid. we are talking about forcing someone to have offspring in the world. So how can you support the mother killing the kid and say the father has no say but at the same time you are forcing the father to let the woman kill his kid? or the other way around even if the father doesn't want the kid and the woman wants it you are forcing the father to have a kid. by law he is forced to pay for it too.
I think I get where your coming from though. Your saying till the kid breaths air they do not have human rights.
I may disagree with that but we al have the right to believe what we want.
P.S.
Look up abortion addiction if you don't think women get prego just to get abortions.
I am nto dodging. Yes she can do that. It is her body. You have no right to tell to another person what they can do with their body. same logic applies.
It has nothing to do with effects of birth control. you cannot dictate what one can do with their body even if it involves ingesting harmless sugar pills. You don't get it do you?
Natural vs Human Rights is an actual philosophical debate. They are defined differently. Google before you try to play smartass
http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/08/natural-rights-vs-human-rights/
i googled. found no statistics that they are the rule. you are talking out of your ass again because you saw it in the news..if its in the news...it means its rare and flashy. that's how they make it to the new..normal things don't make head lines. honor your name. be a "sceptic" .
Yeah keep dodging.
If a woman wants to get prego so she can get an abortion is covered by your stance.
I never said anything about the effects of birth control only said it is an option to prevent getting prego. abortions has effects too. was never a part of the statements I made.
When does personal responsibility come into play and where do you draw the line?
It is a choice not to take birth control so getting prego is a choice (because we aren't talking about rape victims) so they are choosing to get prego or are to stupid and lazy not to. the only force getting used is agienst the baby by the mother that had the choice not to get prego in the first place.
You say hearsay but
the evidence is there, all you have to do is type in abortion addiction and it is not an exception to the rule, it is part of your rule.
Exception to the rule would be rape victims or chance of death from giving birth.
Whatever though. Its pointless to bring any outside views to anything you say because you play games and dodge points.
just ecause you say "natural" and not "human" does not change the rights. I could understand more if you said we have no rights and they are all made up but to play the word/name game is sad and pathetic imo.
LMFAO!
So now atleast you have answered it even though you keep with your games.
You think women should have the right to get prego if they are only doing it because they want an abortion.
LOL
Have fun playing your games. I find it funny that because im skeptical of your stance you try to play the your not skeptical because your bringing points I disagree with.
LMFAO!!!!!!
STEEM ON WITH YOUR BULLSHIT!
xD
How do you know what pills someone can take? Are you spying on peoples medical histories? :p
Im not agienst abortion or saying it should be illegal. I think the option should be there I just think that getting prego (by choice) thn aborting the baby later seems stupid as hell. If you don't want the baby don't choose to get prego or don't get someone prego. I see a huge difference in day after pill and waiting 2 days before giving birth to get an abortion. but as the author of the post says, its the same thing in their opinion and the baby doesn't matter if its 9 months old as lon as its still in the mother.
Whatever though, not my kids getting murdered so I shouldn't care. I do feel if you make the choice to get prego you have the responsibility to raise the kid. but we dot hold people accountable or responsible for their actions anymore so lets just abort all the bad dcisions and learn nothing so we can keep repeting the process.
LOL
Maybe I see it wrong because I was brought up understanding that if I made the choices to do something and got a girl prego that I would be faced with the responsibility to raise the kid. but I guess that's only because the man has no say in what happens to his kids tll they are born. I am surprised women don't get held to the same standard or they don't want to get held to the same standard to their male counterparts.
That's the difference. A man isn't responsible for a fetus/unborn child; unless he chooses to through helping the mother in some way; though there's still no equivalence to the male and female experience.
last time I checke you can get birth control over the counter.
or the day after pill
or condoms
or a sponge
or don't have sex
I think unless your getting raped that getting prego is a choice even if it was the choice to be lazy and have sex knowing you might get prego because you choose to not take something or whatever it is.
If it is a choice then their should be no need for abortions for anyone unless they were raped (forced) into prego or unless it has a chance of killing the mother.
So idk
Im not coming from a religious perspective, just a personal responsibility point of view.
People should be held accountable for their actions imo.
Abortion comes off to me as a easy solution for people to stupid or lazy to take percautions to not have a baby in the first place. Why not take birth control, or whatever the options are to not get prego if that's not what you want?
But what medication someone can take would only cancle out a couple of the many options we have.
You're right, the reasons women have an unplanned pregnancy are entirely irrational, and irresponsible. The individual circumstances are infinite. Sometimes when women feel the most horny enough to have risky sex, is the time when pregnancy is going to occur.
The option should be a choice. It does no benefit to anyone to make it illegal. It doesn't save lives. Being pregnant, having a baby, doesnt make anyone accountable.
Also a lot of birth control methods work by triggering an 'abortion' in event the first defense fails. It makes the uterus inhospitable to a fertilized egg. Can't know for sure if that method has gone down inside the womans body. Dead baby? lol
How does the man not have responsibilities till after the child is born?
I have never been told that if I get a girl prego that im not responsibil till the kid comes out. we are told that if you get the girl prego then you are responsible for the child or you are deemed a piece of shit by society.
I am not trying to compare the male to female experience. I was talking about responsibilitys for ones actions. gender/sex has no room in that equasion.
I personally believe that both parents should have a say in the outcome for equality.
But equality be dammed. lol
I fall back to my original point that getting prego in this day and age when you could not get prego if you choose to do so comes with concequences. they can be accountable and responsible for their choices and actions or not. Either way it is a choice they are making to kill the baby, plain and simple imo.
Atleast I don't think we are talking about forced abortion. D: