This is really beautiful to read, dear @hivewatchers - I am an old-school art-ist and co-creator, and am really really uncomfortable at how effortlessly sooo many folks are pulled into using AI to make images and then present them as 'art' or 'self expression' - completely missing what ART IS - as in, the ongoing and expansive evolution of our inner world expressed in mastery of a material/s.
Putting tech in-between us and our 'art' is like putting pharmaceuticals between us and our body: we are distorting our natural capacity to express, which is core to our true identity and key to our vital power.
Our hands are connected to our heart and moving from our core can bring profound insight of not just what has been occulted within us, but of our collective, interconnected beingness - without Real Art, we lose track even more of where we are, what we are, and what our Purpose is.
Get back to real life folks! Feet on the earth, hands expressively improvising, making and creating and being alive!
painting in oil, oil pastel and pencil on card, 2022
Sadly this is only about chatGTP and not midjourney.
Midjourney is adopted widely by hive users and whales r seeing it as grey area.
On personal level I dropped my curations from original to 50% lower upvote if I see midjourney. This is my step 1 to stop AI images from spreading. The technology looks good but it is doing damage to artist. Also, diffusing models takes data without permission from artists for training.
People who use AI art openly laugh at real artists saying we will lose our artist job soon.
But as you see AI still has a style and limits...
No one can copy my art 😛
@opidia
I agree with you. Check the bottom left owl 😂. Wings logic rest in peace.
Ahahhaah😂
Many "masterpieces" are like that " van gogh style " on crack
Just because we set us boundary's about that what art is (from the past: use a pen, or oil, bla bla) is not that all of art is.
Art can be, everything we can create, if we use a pen, or PC, or AI. AI, without our ideas is creating nothing. just like the pen.
You use your pen and/or oil, I use my PC and/or AI. The art is done, and everyone should decide for himself what is better for his own eyes.
The modern art is AI, if we wanted or not. In couple of years, no one will ever known that oil shit existed. maybe just a lesson in schools about this, but, who care?
In coupple of years ? ....i doubt , unless we are exctinct.
I dont agree at all with you , tools is one thing.
AI is not a tool , it is technology creating something for you, HUGE difference.
but hey , maybe you dont paint or do days of digitals.
Calling yourself an artist , using AI is pure lie and hypocrisy.
I honestly think it all looks the same in the energy, but maybe because i am an artist and i know how to see the difference and feel ? i have been in hundreds of museums in my life so that helps too.
Who care ? People who enjoy the energy of others.
Ah, ok, i see, you are a sick artist in old fashion, so, don't need to waste energy here with you, obviously you don't understand nothing about PC and technology, because, PC is an technology you use to write this text, right now, without it, you would not b here, so it is a tool, who help you to write not in seconds, but live, and Internet is another technology, equipped with millions of AI chips an technology, that helps you right now to discus with me here. And then, Hive as a technology, to help you create value from just posting some random blabbing or drawing. It use some sort of AI, but, you are to beside to accept it, but you use it. You don't see the difference, because AI who we use now, is to new for you, and many people don't see the value in new technology, they think, OLD is all we can, and all we should ever use..? Why, just because you old-ma uses it, is great? Ahh, common, we are getting nowhere, just stop, and go paint your pen drawing shit. I will newer look at something like this, for me, it looks awful and sad, and newer upvote it. I will never use you oil drawing, but you use all kind of AI around you, like PC and internet, right now - it do all kind of work for you, not in seconds, but live. Why you don't use a pen to write me this comment, and send me via post? Because, that's effort there? Why you use PC then to do this work for you? All kind of chips and technology (AI too) packed in your PC, internet, routers, ...?
See, using an ox to plow is much better than using a tractor (in your and HW opinion here), especially the new ones, which have all kinds of AI in them. So, let's go, let's all use oxen from tomorrow, is that very good for agriculture? Why we need tractors, with all kind of tools and oil, that produce poison smoke in our air? Do you can stop this? The same is with AI - you can not stop it, just look how to embrace it, in the best way.
Ahh, wake up, we live on 2023, and not in 1023...
Midjourney and other art generators apply here and we'll adjust going forward. I strongly recommend that no one attempts to pass off generated art as their own as that is both fraud and an insult to the hard-working artists who create work for Hive with their own talents. It's not worth lying about.
Midjourney terms state that paying members own the created works and can be used with out attribution. Posting such would clearly not be fraud. Should it be rewarded... in a vacuum I don't think so; but there is going to need to be a little more nuance. If I were to build a logo for a project with licensed AI or pay to have one designed it would soon become a trademark in practice and no attribution would be necessary in either case.
AI is going to continue driving the cost of things lower and lower. This is a good thing because we will all have to work less and less. I hope hivewatchers can balance AI reward farming with AI as a productivity tool(grammerly, just typing in japanese...). It's not going away.
If you were using Midjourney to make a logo or let's say a title graphic, that makes sense. If you used Midjourney to create a pile of art and then presented it as if you had hand-drawn it, that's an entirely different matter.
lets be honest its about reducing the rewards so they go to the dhf
nice tits :D
Nod rilly
Why no?
No nipples, on of my favorite parts of bewbs.
Real art will always conquer
YES! There has been stuff masquerading as 'art' for millennea - and never moreso than now! - but for those who can see Truth, real Art will always be visible.
Maybe only the artists know the difference , energetically .
The ones who use AI feel like they win something but they really sell their soul by clicking on " i accept the terms " button ...
i am happy to enjoy being a real artist and i congratulate you for your cool art 🤍
then, there is no need to ban AI art, is there?
I don't get the logic of this point of view, @captainklaus 🙏
If real art will be always visible, AI can't be a thread, can it?
Just to be clear: As an artists I even go to the length and try NOT TO HAVE ANY AI ART EVER REFLECT ON MY RETINA. I do not like it, and the way it's going.
But I am of the strong conviction that a blanket ban of anything backfires wildly. I find it sad that in many fields this is the way things are handled by the powers that be.
I would be happy if AI generated content would be marked as such (a bit like NSFW). Beyond that, I can take care of myself.
Pretty sure black markets prove your point.
Nobody has here nothing against real art - real art is fine, no doubt. But, the "real" art is not the only art we should use.
Art has broad definition, and broad meaning - no matter how you do that art - it is art.
If I don't like real art, that's my own decision to do so, but, I don't stop you to make your art, how ever you want, using, pen, oil, whatever.
But you will stop me to use whatever I want, for example, I will use AI to create my art. If you or someone don't like it, should not upvote my creations, and that's all. If I don't like oil art, I don't vote on them, and don't go to such profiles to look such art. You and other (HW team) should do the same - but not using the delegated HP power of users to abuse users who use AI to create art.
But HW team is banning and blacklisting user who use AI to create art, and that is not ok, and that is the problem here - and not that art.
Firstly, your art is inappropriate here, and the pictures should be NSFW, but, obviously, HW team like this and use the power to UPVOTE your "not declared" NSFW art something like this, why?
Ahh, NSFW pictures are allowed in Hive, without NSFW flag, and more - they even do upvote your NSFW picture here??? With the power of @spaminator , which is the power that is derived from communities, to show us, how much they like such sexy stuff to be open. Great, isn't?
But AI Art is not allowed. Hmm, let me thinking, what kind of people are really these HW team, who actually upvoted here your NSFW picture on this comment, that is disturbing art??
Anyone see this, how HW team act? Is this normal, is this what we want in Hive? Nudity open for all? It seems like HW is going there, to allow nudity, and ban real beauty art of imagery and writing. Sound familiar with what we have on going in the world with all "our" govs... Exact the same here in this example now of this comment.
Hivers, wake up, before is too late. We need to change this HW team, quickly.
Your projections onto this artwork illustrate its power, dear @obsesija - the human body is not an offensive object, as you suggest here.
There is no 'sexual' inference in the creation of the painting, and your projection of 'disturbing' is a sign of your own relationship with body and innocence of unclothed woman and man.
Thank you for your comment, and at the same time - again - THIS is the POINT of ART - REAL ART: it pulls OUT of us, that which needs to MOVE and be transformed.
Blessings to you and respect to your creative power - you can use your creative power to support others, rather than attacking and projecting onto them.
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It is my own opinion, just like your about AI, so, where we go?
Therefore, I'm suggesting, that if someone don't like my AI images or text i created with AI tools from my idea, should not visit my profil - that's it.
If i don't like what you post on your profile, i don't visit it, or up or downvote. That's it.
But not use the delegate HP power of users to HW team, to upvote and downvote on OWN opinions (this time, HW teams opinion).
I understand the art, but, i don't see the reason HW team is upvoting your comment with the delegated power of users, why? It is clearly, that they up and downvote what they want, not what communities and users want or voted for. That is wrong. That's my point here, not your art.
And, such art of nudity, no mater how is made, should be flag as NSFW, and not be open, too.
I respect your art, and your work, but you should flag it as NSFW, because, it is disturbing here. And it doesn't fit in this dilemma here about AI.
If you create art with pen, or software, where is difference? No mater if it is AI or other software. AI is dumb, just like your PC, without our ideas, it create nothing.
If you're grateful to the commenter, why downvote that comment? Further, you do neglect and completely falsely state that pictures of bewbs are perfectly fine on Hive. @obsesija is absolutely correct that such pictures have been suppressed on Hive after enormous expense of time, effort, and money flagging NSFW pics.
@obsesija is absolutely correct in those assertions.
Your downvote suggests you are being duplicitous OTOH.
Edit: geez, you're a flaggy little account, aren't you? I mention it at all out of compassion, hoping to make you aware that not every account you interact with is someone's main account. If you keep flagging everyone you disagree with, sooner or later you're going to piss off a whale by flagging one of their alts, and then your account will be crushed into the dust of history. It's pretty obvious fat wallets can downvote whoever and whatever they want from the OP and this discussion. Someone with sense might have thought about that before they started throwing flags around just because they felt like it.
I hope you manage to grow some manners before you are flagged off the platform. It's really up to you. Since you seem not to have much in the way of sense, I can only wish you luck. That's all you got.