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RE: If you still support this guy after this, you are a dumbass.

in #anarchy6 years ago

He's been exposed over and over again and is barely discussed in the circles I run in.

I'm no party member, but if he's on the Bill Weld "side" of the LP, he's lost to anyone of principle. Bill Weld literally has anarcho-capitalists joining the LP to make sure the term "libertarian" in mainstream culture isn't linked with that statist moron.

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Same here. I guess it is just the Steemit thing that bugs me. Most I know elsewhere take the fact that he's a huckster fraud as a given. He showed up here though, talked about how much he loves "the community," and has left/basically stopped posting twice due to 1. "only making" $1,000 on his first post (a fact which, in his words, made him "pissed") and 2.(NOW) payouts being down.

The shit that really did it in for me though was when he said we all ought to "put down the ideology" in the interest of "unity."

Anyway, he's no Voluntaryist. If he dropped the label it wouldn't bother me so much. As it stands, he's an embarrassment to the philosophy here. @lukestokes is no better. @kennyskitchen the same. No principle. Just "feel good" bullshit and weird, whiny projection when questioned.

It frustrates me that I can't seem to get libertarians with an audience over to Steemit. I think it mostly lack of knowledge about the blockchain. Guys like Scott Horton are invaluable, could use the extra $$ and would definitely view the community aspect of Steemit favorably. Especially since people like him are moments away from being banned from mainstream social media.

I always feel like Steemit could be true hub of anti-State thought. Since the backdrop is a social media platform that pays people outside of the state controlled currency system for quality content.

Instead, I spent way too much time seeing clear snake-oil salesmen sucking this place dry.

It's the age old issue of systems and how easily they are co-opted and taken over. That's the primary reason to not have government. If you create a system that can be taken over by collectivists, it will be taken over by collectivists. Sadly, Steemit's blockchain is no different. We have to defend individual liberty here though even if we risk upsetting some of the collectivist whales. My hope though is that the whales will realize that collectivism is certainly not in their favor. For example, why would @jamesc delegate SP to a collectivist that doesn't believe in private property? /boggle

Exactly. I couldn't have said it better.

This seems like it should be the place for that.

Instead, phonies have kinda turned it into a giant faux anarchist, popularity contest circle jerk.

@kafkanarchy84 its a highschool meetup site for most !

I fell victim to this, thinking the best of all steemers! Hoorah to this thread and the amount of gold i will dig up with all the name drops thanks a bunch you are all leading a sad and disappointed man into happiness :)IMG_20180827_032039_008.jpg

@kennyskitchen the same. No principle. Just "feel good" bullshit and weird, whiny projection when questioned.

This is exactly the kind of bullshit personal attacks that I'm talking about. I live by my principles, I don't ever tell anyone to do anything that does not align with my principles, and your "questioning" has generally involved ad-hominems, challenging me for what others have said, making arguments based on your own false assumptions, etc.

Leave me out of your battles, because I am not part of them.

You did this to me, Kenny. Read my comment on your post. I wanna be cool with you man. If you read that, and still wanna beef, then so be it, but yeah. When I asked about questionable things, you immediately chalked it up to my "questionable personality." You're in the battle, homie. We all are.

Fuxk yea !

Kenny, shall we discuss private property? Do you believe in it or not? The last I remember, you were against it. Does the whale's property belong to them, or should we force equality on them?

The conversation we had was around land ownership, which I do not believe in for a variety of reason physical & metaphysical.

In terms of private property, it has a very different meaning to capitalists than it does to mutualists/syndicalists/etc., and I tend to prefer their conceptof personal property. Generally speaking, it's a topic that I don't see much value in pushing until we get to a place where violence & coercion are no longer culturally acceptable. I collaborate with, support, and interact with all forms of anarchists, and believe that once we reach anarchy, all the rest is personal preference, and a combination of personal discernment & spontaneous order will take care of those details.

Ownership of the land I buy and spend my entire life improving is an awfully important issue to me. I cannot build wealth or pass it on to my children without having private property too. Those against it have no way of preventing it either without using immoral force.

We've already gone down this path before, and I have no interest in doing it again because my experience was a feeling of being ignored while the same thing was repeated at me over and over even after I had addressed it multiple times in multiple ways.

Without a clear defintion of property, we can never arrive at a place where violence is not acceptable.

I don't find that to necessarily be true, and as I said before when talking to Finnian and others, I much prefer the idea of personal property as put forth by folks like Proudhon, because I see no space in a moral society for usury, and that is the difference drawn between "private" & "public" in those schools.

Is @jamesc 's 1.5 million SP personal or private property?

You haven’t clearly addressed and defined property, which is not @finnian’s shortcoming here, man.