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RE: Why Do People Love Socialism?

in #anarchy8 years ago

I do not disagree that powerful people have usurped the governments of the world. I do not disagree that governments are a problem.

Socialists tend to think that resources are finite, that if the rich have this much pie then that leaves less for the rest. That is not true.

Everyone makes their own pie in capitalism. The more rich people around you the better off you become. Those rich people hire others and increase their standard of living. An enterprising person with ambition can rise in a system of capitalism, not easily under socialism. Because socialism rewards poor judgement and penalizes good judgement.

Can socialism better the life of someone in absolute poverty? Yes, for awhile. After they have used up all the wealth, there won't be much coming in. Because people that know how to create it will not continue to work when it is just stolen from them. Again, many successful people fled Venezuela when it turned socialist - and now they can't even make food or toilet paper. And that is the fault of socialism.

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I can see what you mean, the problem is, these rich guys aren't at all willing to share their wealth, just look at all the outsourcing going on, why do you think this is? I'll tell you, it's because the countries were the work is being out sourced has very low wages so the outsourcers make a killing, the only ones who make a profit here, apart from the same rich people are the guys in transportation, everyone else loses out, you as a customer will be presented with a lower quality product than you would have obtained if it were made in your country.
And in the country were the goods are made, again only a select few see good money, the workers don't.
By the way I don't think much of Socialism either.

Right? Let's say a business owner saves a LOT on taxes Will that employer turn around and hire someone in the community, thereby creating jobs? Doubtfully. It is more likely that they'd invest it or put it in savings. If it was used for the business, it would much more likely go to capital improvements, which is essentially adding value to the business owner's asset pool.

Now let's say, your average citizen get's a HUGE tax break and remember we're talking America here, the great bastion of Capitalism, what do you think that person will do? That's right, they will go out and spend it! Even if they are spendthrift and invest the windfall (average Joe? not likely), they are still likely to spend some portion in the marketplace.

What's so special about people having money to spend?
If a lot of people in the community are spending money, then business increases which is the absolute most likely event that will trigger a business owner to hire. What happens next is fascinating, see, more people having jobs = more people spending money. It becomes a positive feedback loop as opposed to a retentive cycle, tightening the belt ever more and more while playing the punitive blame game and squeezing every last drop out of real actual individual humans.

Will Rogers on Capitalist trickle-down theory:
W. Rogers Trickle down, more like trickle up

Do you have any idea how many financial crises our young country has already been through? A lot. Over 6.

And socialism improves the quality of products and services how?

Capitalism is about efficiency, when the Berlin wall fell and Germany was reunited many of the East German factories went bankrupt. They could not compete against the efficiency and quality of the west side. The East Germans finally could obtain products of quality at much lower prices. It took up to 10 years to get a car after you ordered it in East Germany, and you got a trabant. A color TV cost 5x as much and was a worse product than what you could purchase in the west side. What was cheaper in East Germany? Stamps, milk, potatoes.

What exactly would those people being hired by the outsourcers be doing instead? They are not forced to work for them, so obviously they choose to work for them as the best option they can see.

It probably is the only option, and they are treated not too good, I am from Honduras, we have dozens if not hundreds of plants that belong to foreign companies who take advantage of how the rules are set, and they have a minimum wage that is lower than the rest of the country's, the working conditions are not so great, so I don't see were the riches are trickling down to the poor.
Also, let's get it straight and not pretend something, no country behind the iron curtain was ever a socialist country they were all totalitarian dictatorships, besides I already told you I am not so keen on socialism either, even though Europe apparently has a political mixture which is not working that bad, except to the good people of the UK.
The kibbutz are mainly socialist and they work just fine, of course they are quite small, I don't think that would work on a large scale.