Libertarianism is a fabulous concept, but I'll readily admit it's not realistic. It would be if all humans and corporations were benevolent, but that is simply not the case. In a utopia, maybe, but not on this planet Earth. Someone needs to keep things in control.
So I agree, whatever the form of society and politics, there's always need for a government.
"If all humans were benevolent, no government would be necessary. If all humans are not benevolent, no government should dare be tried." This is a paraphrase of a famous quote but I can't remember who said it.
If the premise for the need of government is that humans are not perfect. I wonder who or what will inhabit the station of government that is free from the imperfections of humans.
If you accept that the initiation of non-consensual violent force against an individual is wrong, then no government is even logically possible. Government implies involuntary forced compliance to some dictate. If it were voluntary you wouldn't call it governance, you'd call it co-operation.
You are both spot on - I intentionally shied away from defining "government" because it is a whole different can of worms. Let me gather thoughts - I'll try to post something tomorrow.
James Madison said this phrase - "If all humans were benevolent, no government would be necessary. If all humans are not benevolent, no government should dare be tried." @xeldal
If a large majority of us learned how to meet our needs sustainably and directly, the corporations would either shape up or go away due to not being needed. Once the governments and corporations went away, so would most of the useless subhumans that are dependent upon them, along with most of the psychopaths because cheating man made systems is how they've risen to the top.
You're right that most humans these days need government but those humans and their lifestyles are going to kill everything if something doesn't stop them. I think it's time for those that don't have the intelligence or empathy to find ways to exist ethically to go. Crashing the slavery systems they're dependent upon will cause quite a bit of them to self eliminate. If humanity wants to survive, the civi slaves must go.
https://steemit.com/anarchism/@apocaloptimisto/how-and-why-government-exists
We know from extensive experience that not all governments are benevolent. That we can reliably create governments that act better than individuals do is unsupported. There are also some good reasons to think that this is because of properties that are inherent to governments.
Did you read my post? It does not appear that you understood it. At the very least, define what you mean exactly by government. :)
I think anyone within a group of people with the solution to a problem inherently becomes the leader, which , isn't that governance? If a person grows vegetables or raises cattle and no one else in the community provides or produces these things, this person wields a lot of power, especially come super time.
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The majority of libertarians are not anarchists and believe in limited government.
Great post! +1 from me.