Thanks for the reply.
The problem I have so far with private protection companies is, they have to be payed from someone and that someone has to see a need for protection. So why would you want to pay for someone if your are Ok for a while or can buy a fence which is high enough for your home.
Yes why would you? Is it not ok for someone to say I defend myself and the ones I love?
It's just not ok to force someone to pay. even when it's used for "good"or the "common good"
Than "you" are doing criminal things and it does not matter how many agree with you. It's the world on it's head.
You could call some one like that egotistical and so social pressure might work. but it's not ok to force someone to pay for something he doesn't want. You wouldn't accept that from the grocery store either.
There is nothing wrong with "what if"
But expecting guarantees and solutions and a master plan from someone before you can let the live in freedom is not what matters. Of course you can talk about it and It's not that i don't care about old ladys, children, etc. exactly the opposite.
But it's the same as asking a slave; but without slavery who's going to pick the cotton. It does not matter how things will work slavery is evil. period.
Slavery didn't end with the abolishment of slavery. Only private slavery ended. Short before that taxation was introduced. Which in end effect is forced labor too. If you can not decided what to do with the money you honestly and worked hard for. And are forced (eventually with violence) to give the masters of the plantation a part of your labor then your a slave. That the percentage you pay is lower that the private slaves does not matter, with 80% taxation you're just as much a slave as with 100% taxation that the private plantation owners took with violence.
There are more examples that can be made, but that would take very long. and it's late here now ;)
Also I could make a lot of "what if" situations for the current situation but expecting and answer from you. but that would not be very answerable either. People see government as an almighty all powerful protector. But in reality they are not effective and are doing more harm that that they protect.
It's just that it's such a long standing thing and people are born in the most dangerous superstition that they don't see it. It's like being born in a giant cult. If you are born there and everyone says the same thing and you get your 15000 hour indoctrination, you will never think about it's customs and the strangeness or evilness thereof. It's only when you step outside that you will see the illogical and terrible customs and sacrifices etc. they have.
If we are talking about what is right or wrong we have to think about every part of it not just the one we have solutions for right now. Otherwise we are just the same kind of people we complain all the time.
I don't pretend to have a masterplan or solutions for every problem in the world. Government doesn't have solutions either. I can think of solutions. but there could be other people who have better solutions.
I don't complain about them, I say it's outright immoral what is done. And they, the voters, the politicians and all they hire, must stop violating me. If someone likes to be a slave that's ok they can vote for a master but I don't have a master. And there is no one who can claim me, my body, my time, my energy. I'm not an egotistical person but I can't be owned or used without my explicit approval or consent. And the most important thing. I must have the ability to say no.
There are also book and stories of slaves that talk about the phenomenon that their fellow slaves, thought they would be stealing them self from the master and even that the slaves that wanted to be free was stealing himself from the master.
And the mind control was not even that deep most was done with violence. Now the mind control is what keeps most of the slaves under control.
This picture says a lot i.m.o.
I really need to sleep lol. Peace.
Hey,
Thanks for your reply and I'm sorry it took so long. I hope you could get enough sleep.
First of all can we please get away from the American system. To me it looks like we are just discussing about this system and thats not a good idea. There are governmental systems in the world where taxes work good.
The point is not that you protect the people you love the point is if someone can't afford it this person if fu**. This way I'm afraid you will get a society where are just poor and rich people, nothing in between. The poor can't afford protection and everything of value they have will get robbed.
This way you will get back to slavery but not because someone is owning the other on because the color of their skin but because not everyone can be smart or have rich parents and earn a lot of money. So a lot of people must work just to stay alive.
Your simplification of the government is very simple. Your picture implies that you don't have a chance at all which is wrong. You can vote.
But since the government is broken and corrupt I agree with you that the way it is working right now is not good. To be honest your critic about taxes until now looks more like a critic on governments. I totally agree with you that governments are broken these days and we should change something but it is not per se that taxes are bad it is actually just the people who are managing it who are doing a bad job.
Cheers
It's not an oversimplification it is how it is everywhere. There's a ruling class and a subject class. Why do you think that the poor are protected? they are not just like I'm not.
You don't have a choice if you can not say no. picking between two or more rapists does not give you a choice or power or anything even if the rapist would prommisses to safely drive you home, and the other promisses a bath and adding a third doesn't make it better. You have no choice and no freedom.
I would help the old lady but not by robbing her via via.
That you get the poor the rich and nothing in between I don't believe that I think the in between would grow not a bit but a lot. Imagine that all the rules and hoops licenses someone must jump through and pay and have, where not there.
The government is not broken it can't be fixed by voting or petitioning. It was, and is still, always working perfectly. There is no great man or great group of people that can use violence and power to make things good.
What do you personally advocate happen to me if I don't pay tax?
Thank you for the reply :)
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Hey,
thanks for your reply.
Let me first answer your question.
I would kick you out of the country if you don't pay taxes in the country you live in. You should leave with all your belongings. If you want to you can come back but just after a years or so.
So now the things which are kind of personal for me.
In my opinion the government is broken. It can't be fixed by a great person but it can be fixed by reassess it. I can just speak for the country I live in, there it is very hard to run as a politician and even if you manage to become one until then you had to do so many favors for so many people that you forgot why you where doing it in the first place.
They had the idea in Athens long before Christ birth where they selected politician randomly. The idea was that it doesn't matter who is running for this department can do it as good as anybody else. They where doing this system for quit a while until some rich people started a revolt and at the same time a big army from the east was coming.
This idea sounds like total chaos for me but also like a good idea to reinvent a corrupt system.
Also if you say the government is OK the way it is now why do you think if you would privatize everything it would work better? The past has shown that if companies get governmental institutions the usually ruin it. It is not because they are bad at what they are doing but their interests are just money which is different from a governmental running department which gets the tax money and doesn't have to make profit or profit.
A good example is shown in the movie "Water makes money."
Cheers
It's a bit in wrong order this reply
I mean government is working perfectly for the ones who want the power even more because their victims see them as the only way to get to a peaceful society. It's logical that companies (corporations-fictional entities created by the fictional entity government) attach themselves to government an the other way around) That will always happen government have something to sell namely the citizens money and the citizen him self because they hold them as slaves with their monopoly on violence, and there is also a buyer.
The government protects the corporations by making the citizen buy the corporations stuff under force through their monopoly of violence. For instance, If I don't pay health insurance by such a big company or the kartel of companies that the government has chosen for me, I land with a gun in my face to put me in a cage or shoot me if I resisted. I must buy by those companies.Guess what companies get chosen the ones that offer the politicians the most money or a job after their "career" as politician is over.
If you privatize there is no government to cling to. The companies would not have the perceived right to rule, to force you to buy stuff you don't want. It would be seen as evil because they don't have the whole religious stuff that government has. I would not have to buy from people or stores I consider to be evil and I don't have to pay for wars and an protection racket. I may defend myself and others against them or hire someone with the right morality, to do that for me. I vote with my money. See it as a sort of police that only has the right to do what normal people could do in those situations because they are normal people. (don't know if I said this before in one of my comments, might be :)
Putting random people at the thrown might be better but not good enough. It's still slavery Why should I be forced at gunpoint to obey more randomly arbitairy opinions of ramdom people. Lets say I'm such a random person. Why would you want me to tell you what you must and may not do or be punished if you don't obey? I would not even want to rule you. I believe I can not get a right to rule you. Not from god not from a bunch of people who say I have that right that don't even have that right themselves. I'm nobodies master I'm nobodies slave. And I mean that.
How would you do that (literally), kicking me out of "the country" if i was living there peaceful on my own land and with my neighbours.
How would you put me over an imaginairy line somewhere on piece of grasland or forest hundreds kilometers away. Just because I don't want to fund what you want and what I consider to be evil?
I edited out some alinea that was kind of double about corporations