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RE: Bitcoin Cash has the roadmap that lead to Bitcoin's original success, and Bitcoin Cash has the roadmap that will lead to Bitcoin's future success.

in #bitcoin7 years ago (edited)

It's frustrating to see that censorship still exists on a decentralised platform like steem. I wish we could have proved ourselves better but unfortunately this system empowers greedy trolls and runs the masses off the platform in search of alternatives.

I actually started my podcast group (Voices of the Underground) because of the issue of censorship - more specifically self censorship - on steem because the monetary rewards create these incentives in favour of popular opinion and with reputation systems on top of that there's so much reluctance to say anything that has such high opportunity costs.

That social experiment is pretty terrifying!

We use the podcast to discuss a lot of ideas mainly behind blockchain technology and cryptocurrency based applications. We're big advocates of eos simply because of Dan Larimer and the fast transaction blockchain we've been interacting with each other on but we talk about absolutely everything and especially the potential and impact of blockchain technology.

If you'd ever be interested on coming onto the show to discuss bitcoin cash and what's been going on with the politics of bitcoin we would be thrilled to have you.

https://discord.me/votu
^ Where we host the show every Sunday.

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So first you say something that makes no sense on a blockchain like "censorship" than you go on to promote your project for the rest of the comment, got it.

Roger has 500k Twitter followers, a full sub-reddit he runs, camping the .com domain and has been on TV globally. His cries of "censorship" falls flat when he has that kind of exposure.

The real problem is he relies on his name-camping technique using mimicry and social engineering to spread his message.

If he truly wanted to compete on merit, he'd rename his altcoin to something else, like "VerCoin" or "MyVision" -- but he won't, because the crux of his strategy relies on duping people new to the crypto space into thinking what they're getting is Bitcoin.

But it isn't.

He's gone so far as to list an option on his site where he quotes Bitcoin in dollar terms, but then sends you BCH by default.

That quite simply, is fraud.

But I expect no less from a full Douchetarian like Roger, or any of the other shady characters he surrounds himself with.

Indeed, on r/btc you will be down voted by hundreds of paid trolls when you say something positive about BTC / negative about BCH (while it is r/BTC), he is lying at bitcoincom and tricking people in buying his altcoin while telling them it is Bitcoin. He is a scammer and when certain platforms delete scams that is their full right. He use the word censorship to make others look bad, but he is a master manipulator / scammer

Here's a great teardown that goes in depth technically and historically -- https://hackernoon.com/thats-not-bitcoin-that-s-bcash-f730f0d0a837

I recommend you read it, or anyone else who wants to understand why Very Wrong Ver is in fact, wrong.

I think you missed the point if you think he's just talking about himself being censored.

If he truly wanted to compete on merit, he'd rename his altcoin to something else, like "VerCoin" or "MyVision"

This is a cute way of duping people into forgetting that bitcoin cash is A CLONE (fork) of bitcoin, unlike any altcoin.

There's more than 2 bitcoin networks now. Get used to it.

And unlike those other forks, only BCash insists that its Bitcoin.

That should stick out to you, if you are into being analytical about it. Its a technique used by con-men and scammers when they need to ride on the reputation of something instead of its own merits.

None of the other forks, such as Bitcoin Gold are insisting THEY are the "real Bitcoin".

Only BCash.

This is because Roger Ver is using this as a social engineering stunt - and without it, he knows his fork wouldn't have any exposure or support.

What the fuck is BCash ?

We're talking about

BITCOIN CASH BRO

:)

Bitcoin classic is gonna be left behind.

Using other ways to refer to something in a contracted manner is a common use of language. Its quite telling that you can't make that intuitive logical leap.

Did you really not understand?

Here, I can help. If you told me your real name was Maddidriscoll Worthington the Third, I'd probably shorten that to "Maddy" so it made it easier to say and type.

To your second point - BCash transactions have been in a narrow range for quite some time -- http://fork.lol/tx/txs

See that? The blue wiggling line is consistently under the orange one. That is what we call a flat or range-bound trend. This indicates there is no adoption, because if there were it would eclipse the orange line -- be higher than it is -- on a regular basis.

Please let me know if I can help clarify any further cognitive stumbling blocks, I'd be happy to help.

So you didn't see what I did there .... That just went waaaay over your head didn't it ....

Nothing about BCash goes over my head.

Even if someone is so swayed by Roger Ver's lies, that they can't help but defend its flawed premise.

It is called Bcash because it is a failed update (Bitcoin works with a consensus mechanism do you understand?) of the Bitcoin protocol. Since it is failed (only 5% consensus) it can't carry the BITCOIN name. BTC is Bitcoin and BCH is Bcash

Indeed. Bitcoin is the chain originating from the genesis block with the highest accumulated proof of work. The Bitcoin Cash fork failed to gain majority, thus it is not Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is the chain originating from the genesis block with the highest accumulated proof of work. The Bitcoin Cash fork failed to gain majority, thus it is not Bitcoin.

In practice this is actually a fairly shortsighted way of looking at it, because accumulated proof of work only becomes the deciding factor once other necessary attributes have been confirmed.

(This btw is the only good reason underlying why so many have been sucked into the populist notion that users voting with so called "full nodes" - that don't fulfill the criteria for being called nodes as laid out in the design paper - can be an acceptable governance mechanism, when it is in fact much too easily manipulated.)

I can't believe that a seasoned Steem influencer such as you is calling downvotes censorship. This lively debate is the proof, if you need any, against that claim.

So-called self-censorship is nothing more than a metaphor. The rewards are a powerful incentive to do what's going to get you rewards, so while it works as a euphemism it's obviously not actual censorship.

I can't believe that a seasoned Steem influencer such as you is calling downvotes censorship.

Thank you, exactly my thoughts.

I for one more often read flagged comments than regular ones. :D

These flags are just in your minds ;) I can't see any of them on Busy.org.

There is contradiction in the parent comment of @beanz ,it may be some true but the second part of comment is endorsement to their project. How can downvote be a censorship that too created for some self benifit.
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