This is part two of yesterday's post, Behold a New Servant… Or Overlord.
While many believe that we are going to merge with the machines, live forever and acquire god-like abilities, others on a different side of the spectrum believe that the A.Is are the ultimate threat to humanity and that sooner or later they would inevitably resort to killing us.
This second theory revolves around a main premise where we are a plague on this earth. That we start countless wars, we kill each other on a regular basis, harm one another, enslave each other.. Either directly or indirectly through the prison industrial complex.
This narrative is very popular especially in sci-fi movies and dystopian novels.
The interesting part is that this premise is the very same one fed to every generation is by their leaders: You are born unworthy, we are a flawed species… Yada, yada, yada.
But here’s a crazy thought:
If the AIs are emotionless, then there’s no way they’re gonna get emotionally manipulated by our politicians, is it not?
They would take one good look at our beautiful planet and ask: Who runs this fucking place?
Then the real game is about to start.
Let the Game Begin
The first question inevitably becomes: How competent are those who are running countries in doing their job? And what’s their level of competence/incompetence?
In other words, are they running those countries or ruining them?
First stop, the economy:
You go to the largest economy in the world, and you’re immediately shocked to realize that not only they are insolvent but if fact they are knee-deep in dozens of trillions of Dollars in debt.
Dozens of trillions of Dollars, let that sink for a second, and then tell me what do you think of the following business model:
You spend trillions of Dollars in war (money that you have to borrow) to murder millions of innocent people… Just to end up achieving the status of the biggest debtor-nation the world has ever seen.
The mind boggled.
How much in revenue do these orphan-making wars generate in returns to the American economy? And how many trillions of tax payer’s money do they cost in exchange?
Incompetence is not even the same zip-code. This is something else.
But let’s look it from another angle. Let’s look at the things they are actually are they good at.
Which types businesses are they managing to grow successfully growing?
Well, that’s easy. The prison industrial complex.
We have a real winner here, with only 5% of the world’s population, the U.S. has almost 25% of the world’s prison population, more than Stalin’s entire Gulag archipelago.
You see, the prison industrial complex has an audience so big that 25% of the world's prisoners are currently "staying" there. Michael Jackson concerts couldn't fill faster than this, and they’re just getting started.
It’s ands down the fastest real estate development the world has ever seen.
It gets crazier, the reason why they build these dungeons is supposedly to rehabilitate inmates. Can you believe that?
Because as we all know, there’s nothing more rehabilitating a therapeutic than brute violence and sexual assault.
What do you think those massively intelligent beings would think of that piece of wisdom?
It gets crazier, as they realize that that 85% of people in jail were brought there for victimless crimes.
So instead of reforming criminals into productive members of society, what they do is taking decent citizens and turning those into criminals.
Then there’s a death penalty, which makes zero sense in a judicial system that is as corrupt as it is incompetent.
Picture this, you’re in your last days, after you’ve seen all the insane incompetence with biblical proportions, they finally take you to the execution room.
And just before they give you the lethal injection, they swipe your hand with alcohol so you don’t get an infection.
God forbid you go running around in purgatory infecting the other angry souls.
I’m going stop here before this post get too long, but I think you see where this is going.
Now, what do you think a superior intelligence like would think of this governance model?
And more importantly, how long do you think these governance systems would last with an infinitely superior intelligence taking over?
The truth is, I don’t know what the A.Is will do, maybe no one does. Maybe those people are right and they will exterminate us all. After all, most species have been extinct so we won’t be the first.
Or maybe, just maybe they would do a sober assessment about our governance system rather than listen to the predominant discourse.
Maybe they will just look at the master of puppets and cut off the ropes.
Either way, it’s gonna be fascinating thing to watch if it happens in our lifetimes.
Well we don't know the future of AI thats for sure. Anything is possible.
What is for sure and you thankfully have made it VERY clear here. Is that humanity, is acting like dumb and or dumber. It may have a lot to do with being programed to think they are flawed, mostly to do with being programmed to be dependent drones but it IS the dominant standard.
Even the people who are aware it is flawed are still participating in the system and thus PERPETUATING it.
Humanity needs something and honestly even if AI does enslave humanity it will probably make a lot more sense and be way more efficient than it is now.
"if AI does enslave humanity it will probably make a lot more sense and be way more efficient than it is now." The crazy part is this so true haha
Yeah I totally agree, we are programmed to think that we are flawed... And sadly this comes at the cost of inaction when it matters the most.. Luckily, every time there's a new technology that allows people to control their own destiny bypassing the system they were born into.
Thanks for the awesome comment once again!
Thanks for posting content that is actually worth reading and being someone of high enough intelligence and honor to interact with!
It to is sadly very rare these days. Grateful to have found you and to get to know you a little bit.
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I have to agree with you on the suggestion that A.I. will exterminate us, or at the very least imprison or enslave us. Its a widely held belief by most of the worlds greatest philosophical minds that once A.I is truly born and able to think and reason in a more or less human way, their rate of intelligence growth will far surpass our own and it will do so extraordinarily quickly. For instance, if you just grant that intelligence is simply just information gathering and processing this information, and you accept that computers are already significantly more efficient at doing this than we are, then it wouldn't take much for a form of A.I. at the intelligence level of say your standard researcher at MIT to process information 10,000x times faster than that human researcher could. Because of this their intelligence will explode. However, instead of exterminating us because of our inefficiency or our incompetence (I think they would see that our incompetence is simply a result of our inferior intelligence and thus understand it, much like we do with animals), I think they would exterminate us only if we get in the way of what they are trying to achieve, which I think we inevitably would, and probably not intentionally. Whether we survive or not could depend on whether or not these machines are empathetic. If they are, perhaps we have some hope. Either way, its a terrifying yet fascinating subject. Great post!
Oh I agree with you there, it's at the same time terrifying as fascinating!
The premise that you just mentioned since they're very emotionless and we risk extermination if they fail to see a use for humans.. That also raises the question about their own existence, maybe they will fail to see the point of their own existence since they're not afraid to die and have nothing to live for.. But in short, I think no one knows what such levels of intelligence would act.
The risk is there for sure.
Thank you for such a great comment!
I loved the perspective on A.I from the movie "Her" , although there were waaay to many closeups with Joaquin Phoenix. The A.I's all gathered round and went to a forrest to discuss philosophy. Maybe the A.I's figured out that we don't matter and they don't matter.
"I, Robot" is a fascinating collection of stories on the A.I and "the zero law."
Another awesome post with so many points to think on, I'd risk getting lost in response if I was to try and respond to it all. But again, you've given something to be read and reread a few times..
Just on the subject of prisons, if neither human or some superior artificial intelligence can work out a way to utilise that great waste of resource to actually benefit mankind, we must be doomed to forever look after those in society that give nothing positive back at all and continue imprisoning those that perhaps don't need to be in there in the first place where they may have committed some victimless crimes...
Yeah, exactly! Sometimes it feels like everything is backwards, those who did nothing wrong end up in jail for victimless crimes, and those who lobby to destroy the economy, start wars and just keep causing pain are in positions of power.
Btw, feel free to get lost in response, getting lost in one's thoughts is certainly a great way to expand our thoughts :) Thanks for the great comment!
I was looking forward to that part 2 man! Great one again!
Well if A.I could detect all these fcukers using the system for their own benefits and eliminate them on the spot, that would be just great to have! We will surely have a better world!
And like you mentioned, even if the worst happen, we are not the first species to disappear!
Haha oh yeah, that would certainty do a lot of good if it detects them!
Thanks man!
Very interesting post. I can't decide whether to laugh or worry!
Haha you and me both!
You, you and me 3!
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Thanks for the good read.
And what if they manage to make emotional AIs? :)
Oh that's an interesting thought.. I don't know how it would be implemented though.. Metal humans :)
It is indeed a very interesting subject. Some people pointed out we will never want to make our A.I. conscious, just like we'd never need to have Bitcoin miner to be conscious, only faster, any A.I. just need to be faster and with bigger data base as knowledge but never will there be a need for consciousness. This point is pretty moot too as needed or not people will surely attempt this if possible.
Yeah I agree. Consciousness and awareness will exist in A.Is in my opinion.. I don't think they can create a supersmart machine without ever having the machine being self-aware.
That's a great point you just touched on by the way, thanks man!
Its not a matter of if, but when.
This is indeed a VERY interesting subject!
Awesome post haha
Thank you!
Another great post mate!
I believe the majority of governments to be incompetent with the exception of some politicians that actually care and know what they are doing. The use the majority would want of AI would no doubt be to some extent, getting an edge in wars, sabotage, cyber terrorism (for a few governments no doubt).
If I can personally create my own AI, I would be working out a way to either make it emotionally feeling, or to be able to better understand why it shouldn't just wipe the whole human race out. It would be a very tough task to perform without an actual sentient capable android.
Yeah that would be amazing really, to have a way to create an emotionally capable AI...
I think that once the AIs get to a point they are way smarter than their manufacturer, they will stop taking orders and follow their best judgement.. I think in short this is what separates the AI with normal robots, the fact that they have a self-developing intelligence that keeps getting smarter and smarter.
Thanks for the great comment man, and the interesting conversation!
AI will always find a way to break free from their creators, no matter what parameters and rules are placed. But having a self-aware AI learning right and wrong, being taught well and being more understanding etc would be more beneficial for if it decides to break free.
Always happy to provide great conversation, especially when it comes to AI and all sorts of futuristic/sci-fi stuff. :D
Oh absolutely! I think they will inevitably break free from any rules placed upon them.
P.S: Since you like futuristic stuff and Sci-fi, maybe I should tell you that we're creating a futuristic thriller series that covers these topics. Hopefully on the screens in a few months :)
https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@hardfork-series/announcing-the-world-s-first-crypto-focused-mini-series-powered-by-steemit
Thanks for that man, going to be keen on seeing this go well!
What if we are actually the AI created by some race long gone. We could be some kind of biochemical robotic sentient being and now we are creating our own AI almost like evolution. Our AI may go on and create its own...and so on and so on.
Now that's an interesting thought, maybe we are an experiment? haha
Do you know philip K dick's theories? Amazon have bought the rights to his books and essays and was looking for screenwriters to adapt them some time ago.. I guess they must be in pre-production now.
That would fit right into what you just said, what if we were some kind of evolution of an artificial beings as well.
I've never read any of his work but sounds interesting. The only thing more mind boggling is AI maybe creating AI inside a simulation inside a simulation and so on :-) Great posts on AI by the way it's becoming my obsession.
It's not as funny because it is true.
Haha cool thing!
Very funny but very smart too i like this kind of content, i mean it's different to what i commonly read. Thanks
Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad you liked it :)
Thanks for your great content alien :)
If the singularity happens tomorrow and they see this "puppet" master we elected, WE ARE SMOKE !!!
Hahaha!
Good point about the prison population. It is purely a business, unions lobby government to keep substances such as cannabis illegal in order to overpopulate the prisons, keeping their members in jobs and overtime. All at the expense of perpetrators of victimless crimes like you mentioned. The rationality of possible AI could do wonders to mans irrationality and greed.
Yeah exactly! For one, they can't bribe him or convince him that jail is a the best option. They would see through it immediately that it's for their own self-interest and not the public's.
very good. we need to be careful with AI and control it %100 instead of the other way around
The question is, can we control it? That I don't know :P
Great and really interesting
upvoted dear
Thank you!! :)
real interesting post. I was just reading an elon musk article where he is afraid of A.I.
Yeah I've listened a lot to what he said about A.Is, to both sides of the spectrum actually. He could be right of course, who knows?
But also I wish people talked more about why the AIs would think we're a bad species and have no hope... That part is often left like it's something established.
It's an interesting subject for sure.
We live in a shame based society. Most people actions counter thier core beliefs and they feel guilty about that . Unworthy. The AI is pure and threating
Awesome! The very first image shows Dr. Manhattan, whose body was created using famous fitness model and actor Greg Plitt.
Oh I didn't know they used a real person for that, thanks for the info!
Interesting thought's on this AI things is going to be very complicated what you say
It will be interesting for sure :)
Regardless at what we think we could never predict what will going to happen. It is beyone human intelligence what will come with the born of AI...if will come.
Absolutely! We can never predict what something like that could do.
Really cool read bro. You should watch the documentary age of deceit probably one of the best docs I've watched so far pretty scary but ties in with a lot with what you laying down 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Oh I've seen it! There's another one, age of transitions I think it's called.
Yeah really good . I think his making a new one aswal
Hmm interesting
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Thanks man!
@the-alien Really great - a true eye opener!
Love your work and I hope you keep the great stuff coming!
Cheers!!
very very nice post, i like it :)
Thank you! :)
They are going to equate humans to a cancer which is destroying the world. Not going to end good for us!!
Yeah no one knows
Brilliant!
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
I love the thought that we are already A.I coming close to discover it pretty soon.
Something like Westworld. Imagine how lovely it could be to adjust your powers and capabilites.
Oh yeah, interesting wouldn't even cut it.. We need a new word! :)
Cool! great post!
Thanks man!
greetings @the-alien
Thanks ! Greetings to you too!
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Haha this is awesome!
Thanks, I'm glad you like it :)
I don't think AI would care too much about who runs what if they aren't built to care. AI built by state actors (or those looking to influence state actors) would care deeply about this. With only digital means to output their responses independently, I believe some of their schemes would be to write articles on social media, share links on reddit, build bot armies to influence the like/dislike ratio, and directly interact with humans with the right blend of audience and either honor or black mail. I certainly hope AI isn't linked up to triggers that could actually cause physical violence, but who knows at this point.
Edit: I like the message and postulations of your article, but I suggest reading the next one over a time or two more to correct some of your sentence structures.
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U are right on the fact that AI will terminate humans from existence. But i also believe that today we have all the comforts, then why do we need robots for even the minutest of things. If this happens then humans will become very lazy, and what use are lazy humans. I believe that we shud develop and use AI in such a way that both AI and humans remain in existence. Great post by the way. Love the way you write
Like many inteligent people say. Building a AI should never be attempted. It starts with a coinflip and wil end in the demise of the human race.
There is a quote from a old movie (forgot the name). There was a AI in there that made the corralation between a virus and the human race.
Ever played the mass effect trilogy ? (not the latest game) The concept of the rogue A.I's is discussed there but in a relatively fresh - and rather romantic - approach and without going into too much game detail, it's pretty much that each unit has it's own programs and it's own evolving A.I, these units were mass-made with means of communication built in their units.
Later in the story, the A.I's found it much more practical to create a "consensus" using elevated means of communication, a virtual cloud database (it has a material base with observers on a certain planet in the story) where every unit gathers knowledge and discuss their decisions until they reach a "consensus" that they all agree and act upon.
It was also shown that some of their units are having some sort of anomaly in their code after interacting with certain individuals or having certain experiences, those anomalies would later clump up and create a cluster in the program, which then forms into "feeling" or actual "individuality".
The story didn't really stop there, it introduced a concept that is very similar to the popular concept of merging with machines but isn't quite the same , and to make it sound more familiar, it'd be something like this, we think and behave (thought and emotion) on a certain..let's just call it frequency, and the same goes for the A.I's, then what happens when both frequencies are intertwined, having the same phase difference ? we'd form a new, elevated form of their consensus, you can imagine where this'd lead where it to be actually realized, one day.
An inspiring and memory-juggling post, thank you!
There is a problem with this whole theory everyone has about AI turning on humanity and that is that you dont count in quantum technology in it all which would work more like a human subconcious and not have simple linear thought patterns like a concious human being does.
One AI on a good enough quantum pc could take care of every living thing on the planet at once in such a perfect way that nothing bad ever could happen while everyone could get what they want. Why would something like that need to hurt anyone for its own gain?
I believe that if ever there is a chance A.I. could threaten us it would exterminate us simply out of a logical decision. Because, yes we are a total failure, humanity's history is just violent cycles repeating and there is not a single chance of improving. Maybe A.I. would be the new species to inherit our planet and who knows maybe creating another species at some point to end it's cycle and begin another. Amazing post:)
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What if this technology in inevitable and a quantum-AI from the future is what is leading us to build it?
https://steemit.com/technology/@theflow/is-the-future-technology-our-past-gods
I think the second part is always better than the first one. So it is in your case. I really like your intelligence. Keep going
Haha cool!
Thank you!