There is something to discuss? You cannot agree that punishment is defined as retribution, and vengeance, that is what we were discussing, I've demonstrated by definition, they complementary define the same act, you cannot have retribution without punishment, or vengeance, you cannot have punishment without retribution or vengeance, if you take them out of their definition they are non act, yet they all describe each other.
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... you agreed on the punishment of outlawing murderers (Vogelfreiheit). Yet you still argue that punishment is wrong as a concept.
Definitions in dictionaries are just a mere reflection of the most common definitions. So we just need to get the definition straight for us at this point. Punishment is for me preventing the incident to happen again and resocialize the person in question. I don't want to condition criminal humans, I want to help them
I never agreed on that. Who is this "we"?