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RE: My problem with Communism

in #communism7 years ago

So imagine there are four people in a true anarchist society. One fisherman, one smith, a scholar and baker. They are good friends so they want to share their products, the scholar offers help when there are problems that need to be researched. They share a cart when driving to the market and equally split their profits.

Now I am not a communist, but the above would be anarcho communism that works without force and is able to coexist with anarcho capitalism.

You capitalists also never address the hierarchy of the work place, how are you going to solve that? Or is that a none-issue to you?

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See my exchanges with @kidsysco in the comments. We addressed Scale.

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You capitalists also never address the hierarchy of the work place, how are you going to solve that? Or is that a none-issue to you?

I didn't talk about capitalism at all in my article. It was not necessary as I wasn't focusing on the MARKET, property, or the means of production anywhere in my post.

Imagine that. :) Like I said in my post I was writing about something that was not the things people usually attack. :)

In fact the only time I mentioned anarcho-capitalism was as credit for the saying "good ideas do not require force".

So my post still stands and the issues I wrote about in it actually have nothing to do with property, or the market. :)

Another post though what you are talking about may be relevant.

See what @kidsysco and I talked about though and I think it will address some of your example.

Well, I agree with the problem of scale. Luckily I don't have to defend those an-coms :P

On the topic of force or violence I am on your side. If someone commits a crime he deserves punishment and that can administered with force. You are OK with that, right? However purging the non-believers is something socialism/communism should reject as an idea, sadly it often does not.

Oh and just so the NSA and Verfassungsschutz makes me a free backup of all my internet traffic: I would support a serious coup d'etat though :)

If someone commits a crime he deserves punishment and that can administered with force. You are OK with that, right

I don't agree if it was a victimless crime. I am okay with it if there was an actual victim. And if the victim is calling it a crime because the person said they called them a name or something petty like that then I am not okay with that.

Though I tend to be an advocate for people having property that belongs to them, and if I make something it can be mine. If I find out how to make something nice people like, and I save up enough to build a place that can make more of them and I voluntarily find people that agree to work for me for whatever they and I agreed to and I can make more, that does not suddenly make that belonging to the public and those people. The people can choose not to work for me. Someone else can offer them a better deal. If they voluntarily chose to work with me and agreed to the contract then that is between them and me, and is of no concern to anyone else.

I do consider COERCION as force an involuntary so if the person was coerced into working for someone that is a different story.

However, CRIME is not always a crime in my opinion. The States call a lot of things crimes that are nothing of the sort as far as I am concerned.

Of course I meant real crime like theft and murder , not breaking one of billion useless laws we have. Btw who is to determine what is crime and what is not?

I do consider COERCION as force an involuntary so if the person was coerced into working for someone that is a different story.

To me a place where I can only get money through getting someone to employ me and if I don't have money I starve to death is something I consider "coercion". There are many jobs/talents where you can work as your own boss or start a company but there will be a lot of people who rely on the job market and sometimes feel immense pressure by it.

Oh and I found out there are people who call themselves "libertarian socialists", they say a lot of stuff that is similar to my ideas.

Oh and I found out there are people who call themselves "libertarian socialists", they say a lot of stuff that is similar to my ideas.

Yeah there are a lot of DENOMINATIONS of Libertarianism and Anarchism. :)

Exactly... which is why I put DENOMINATIONS in caps. :)

agreed that they don't believe the right to live is a right,

I talked about using 'Vogelfreiheit' instead of prison in the article I linked you.

Socialism always requires a monopoly

nope, you just define socialism as state communism. Look at the very definition of the word "social". It just acknowledges that we live in a society.

If you want me to get rid of the word I have to disappoint you, we Germans just associate completely different things with it and I don't want to be lumped up with capitalist nut-jobs like you :P

vengeance is what punishment

I wrote an article about my ideas of punishment.
https://steemit.com/politics/@thatgermandude/why-do-we-need-prison-2-alternatives

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I was actually just curious if you people accept workplace hierarchy in your construct. So if you get payed for "being raped" as you like to put it, it is OK?

Hierarchie is a system of Authorities.

You said every transmission of decision making power is "not possible". And your argument was pretty much shouting "rape!" at me. So I am not sorry if you struggle a little to keep up with my thought process.

To stay in the realm of your logic, you said (correct me if I got that wrong): Letting other people make decisions for you is like letting other people have non consensual sex with you. As I told you, I do not agree with this strange metaphor. But according to your logic it is OK to if you take money for transfering power.

Thanks for not looking the article I linked you. You would drop the "vengeance seeker", but it helps to protect the narrative if you ignore what people say that are not from your camp and get hung up on your defintion of the words they used, doesn't it? I am used to this behavior when talking to people who are on the establishment side, but I think you are the first Anarcho that I see "debating" that way.

Hierarchie is a system of Authorities.
No, it's simply a System of Organization, look it up, stop defining it by abstractions and misunderstandings. A system of organization, CAPICHE?!

Copied from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy

In an organizational hierarchy, there is a single person or group with the most power and authority, and each subsequent level represents a lesser authority.

Got you good buddy, don't mess with me when it comes to clean definitions.

Your next try is adorable as well. Read exactly what you posted... vengeance can imply retribution. You try to somehow twist my words by adding meaning to them. Classic.

I advice you to avoid using big words. It is obvious that you are trying to mask your intellectual incapabilities behind them.

Actually you are the first anarcho I am aware of who debates me that way. Not sure if those guys from my Climate Change Hoax Post were anarchos. I usually agree with anarchos on most problems and even on some solution.

For some reason you tried to bring camp- thinking and a vs-mentality into the debate with me. Not sure why you are so triggered.

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OK, you read it, sry for the accusation.