Every now and again someone thinks it’s a good idea to go on a self-appointed crusade to get rid of something they don’t like on the platform. There was grumpycat for a while. That account eventually powered down and disappeared.
Funny thing about bullies on Steem, they never come out in the open on who they are. They make full use of the anonymous nature of the platform and hide behind it. Cause stepping out and showing who they are while they attack others would actually take some courage.
Now there is @mmmmkkkk311. His target, the Steem Basic Income program run by @josephsavage.
@josephsavage
In case you are not aware, Joseph uses his real name. He’s shown up at Steem events. I broke bread with him, his wife Katie and his infant daughter at the Steem Conference in Toronto. As did others.
He has nothing to hide and he doesn’t hide. If you don’t understand the ins and outs of SBI, ask him. He will answer your questions fully and patiently.
@mmmmkkkk311
I’ve heard that mmmmkkkk311, once owned a bidbot.
Remember those, when people would send a bid in the hope of getting an upvote which would exceed how much they spent on the bid. In many cases, the bidder didn’t gain but the bot owner, usually did. If the bot owner didn’t gain, the delegators to the bot sure did.
It can be argued for small accounts who figured out how to bid in a way they received a return, it helped them grow. Not all did. Most small accounts hardly ever did.
From what I can see from mmmmkkkk311… he doesn’t seem real sure why he doesn’t like SBI. He’s called it vote selling, circlejerking, vote farming and best of all… a ponzi scheme with accusations that Joseph is going to take all the Steem and run.
The Basics of SBI
People don’t buy their way into SBI. Well, not without putting other people into SBI. I send Steem to SBI for whoever I want to have units. I receive a matching unit.
The acquired units accumulate over time. When people holding SBI post they receive an upvote in proportion to the amount of SBI in their pool on a limited number of posts.
The principle behind the program is those in it receive regular upvotes based on the units they have. They can transfer the units to others if they leave Steem. It’s as close to the concept of Universal Basic Income as can be had on the blockchain.
In my conversations with Joseph, he’s put a lot of time, thought and effort into keeping the economics of the program functioning, fair and sustainable. I am not about to suggest I understand the economics of it. If you are curious, talk to Joseph.
I Give SBI Away At PYPT
Every Thursday for over two years I’ve had done two post promotion shows on The Ramble discord. It’s a time when Steemians can take turns sharing posts of their own or others.
It’s a networking time. People get to know each other. Discussions take place. The topics can and often are varied.
During the show there are two giveaways. One is for SBI and the other is for my token SHADE. People have to be present to win as the prizes are for people taking part.
Why Don’t I Just Give Away Steem?
It’s really pretty simple. If I give away a Steem instead of an SBI the recipient may or may not power that Steem up. If they power it up, great, it adds to their SP and they can use that to grow. If they cash it out, well that is more drain on the system.
Giving SBI ensures the Steem is staying on the platform and also makes sure people receive an ongoing benefit no matter how small. For many starting out on Steem, getting those SBI units and the small upvotes that followed made the difference between them staying and leaving.
I provide PYPT as a place for people to get to know each other, to be encouraged to remain on the platform. SBI meets that need. Retaining members is important.
mmmmkkkk311 Doesn’t Care About Retention
I’m not alone in providing SBI as prizes for activity on the platform. There are many others like @pifc who has run a curation contest each week for almost 90 weeks to encourage people to find low earning posts and give them more exposure. His Pay It Forward Curation is also about retention.
Regardless of the way the SBI units are given, the common purpose behind doing so is to help people grow and stay on the platform.
What does mmmmkkkk311 do to help people grow and stay on the platform? — NOTHING
He does the opposite. He attacks with downvotes the people who receive SBI upvotes and people who give SBI units to others.
Yesterday I posted about a Witness Chat that I do every month in The Ramble discord. It’s an opportunity for witnesses, community members and the Steemit Inc team to come together to talk and learn. They are well attended.
The post received some good upvotes. Some of which I believe was a show of appreciation for the time I put into doing the Chats. I appreciate that.
This morning I issued some SBI units which had been won at PYPT. Sure enough, mmmmkkkk311 hit my Witness Chat post with a 100% downvote not long after.
Typical bully, just attack, cause he’s without the brains to do anything else. Use a big stick when there is no rationale argument in favour of your issue to be presented.
I’m not alone, he’s hitting others. In the past 14 days he’s done over 1100 downvotes on people’s posts. The DVs range from a single percent to 100%. He seems to be under the mistaken impression that if he keeps doing it, people will run away from SBI.
The only thing you will accomplish @mmmmkkkk311 is you will scare off some new people who don’t understand that you are just a bully and don’t really care for the platform.
You’re a butthurt former bot owner. If you had an ounce of thinking ability, you’d adapt and find another way to improve your stake on the platform. Instead you see how much damage you can try to inflict on a program that helps keep people here.
Bottom line, the giveaways will continue. You, the bully, can carry on trying to pound away at people for doing so. Once you get past those first 2.5 downvotes at 100% each day, it’s your voting power going to waste.
Have fun shooting yourself in the foot.
It’s your foot to shoot.
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it's vote buying... some will down vote it. Take that risk when buying sbi and maybe explain it to the person you gave them to also.
I have previously bought sbi and given them to others, expect they may get down voted for it. i would be peeved if they complained, as they received the up votes for free - not earned
my thoughts anyway
It's not really vote buying. Vote buying would be me buying a vote. I'm not buying a vote. I'm helping people receive sustained income. Tell me if there is something wrong with it.
Oh, and I just sponsored you because you received an upvote from @mmmmkkkk311.
Its buying votes. you bought me steem up votes derived from the daily reward pool by buying me SBI tokens. Not saying its right or wrong - just what it is.
My view is if you buy SBI tokens, you should get votes in SBI tokens which later you could trade for steem on the market if you wished.
thanks for the SBI, but i had them cancel voting on my stuff awhile back, got sick of my one word comments being pushed to the top and nobody to downvote them to where they belonged lol
All comment voting by SBI has since been stopped.
I don't really care that much. My comments don't get voted if I make more posts. The comment voting is I think just so that the weekly quota can be used. If someone only writes comments, that's where the votes will eventually be.
Tokens are pretty much useless though.
I give away 10 or more SBI each week to the Shadow Contest Winners and 2 shares every week on @abh12345's EL to the 2nd place winner for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I have been buying sbi since the program first came into being, and I will continue to support sbi.
good for you @melinda010100 ... no backing off to a bully.
I find our desire to run off ambitious and high quality business owners on our platform ridiculous, great post.
Thanks @whatsup ... one that is helping retain users is even a crazier move.
^^^^ This!
I'd of been much more heated and angrily stated my stance. Way to stay fairly civil Shadow.
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Well really @enginewitty once you get that image in your mind of him shooting himself in the foot... can you really get heated? LOL
Definitely was a pretty picture😝
Pimp that. Thank you for taking a stand on bullying and the cowardice behind it, @shadowspub.
thanks @jayna .. never had patience with bullies.
Me either. Makes my blood boil.
@jayna, I saw you here. We are on the same page. I think you might enjoy "Steem N' Roses", a post I made in response to all of this silliness.
Anyway, nice to see you around.
Hi @tristancarax. Good to hear from you! I will check it out.
Nice post. Let him have it!!!
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There’s more than a bit of irony in the fact that @mmmmkkkk311 owns 93 SBI units:
https://steempeak.com/@mmmmkkkk311/transfers
From that I heard, that is people trying to return idiot behaviour with kindness .. so they sent him SBI
Also heard he's on a blacklist so he wont get any votes from SBI until he's off the blacklist
He's blacklisted so the free money he was going to get is going to happen. The best he can do is change his attitude and be allowed back in or give away his shares to others who need them.
unwanted gifts from sbi members, I think, they were trying to "buy" me
Why don't you try "buying" us? I mean that might work.
All Downvotes are going to vote buyers only.
haha, that's why I have stopped upvoting own posts and I'm telling everyone that I'm happy after H21. My curation rewards increased dramatically. You guys are trying to get more from your Steem Power than regular curation. Is it Fair Play? I don't think so, that's why every person who transfer STEEM to sbi will be downvoted.
double STEEM burning, good for Steem ecosystem
Upvoting your own comment at 100%? Or any % for that matter @mmmmkkkk311 / @mariuszkarowski? And in doing so, you are our #newsteem role model / champion?
Are you blind? Payout is declined Stop trolling
Yes, while still attaining the same benefit of upvoting which is your comment is the first one the rest of us see. An accident? Right ...
You remove your upvote and I'll remove my downvote.
Okay, we get it. Please stop with the comment spamming! Once is enough!
And this is why you up-vote your own comments? I know another person that talks out both sides of their mouth (I am not referring to me, as I also have that reputation, but a well known old timer of STEEM).
You are ridiculous! Have a great weekend, bully.
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Is not flagging those that have never bought into sbi a new thing in the last week? You used to flag my posts with a miniscule amount whenever I received an sbi vote, but that seems to have stopped.. I care way less about this than the shit people crank out for their auto votes daily. IMHO the way this place functions to reward content that's not even seen is disastrous and basically fucking dumb as fuck for a "social media platform" We have the same redundant cheerleaders spewing the same old shit getting their 30-100 USD value rewards daily and getting little to no engagement because all that matters is the circle jerk.. Plenty of garbage hits trending daily and only a handful of people flag that stuff. Free flags have even failed.
Ok boomer ye olde fuckstick
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I tried to approach the guy with respect a few weeks ago....Had a good conversation with him.
Then today I wake up to a nice big downvote from him LOL
Not only did he wipe all my SBI upvote (50 cents) he also dove into the rewards from outside of SBI....He sure taught me a lesson.
I've put my life savings, 2 years of my life and EVERY ounce of effort I can into this blockchain.....Just to be shown a nice downvote courtesy of HF21.
Stupidity.
If Steem is ever going to grow, these moronic downvotes need to stop. Keep them for spam and abuse, not from encouraging my community to engage with me on my blog every day.
I've heard others have tried to talk to him and reason with him. He will have no part of it. It's like he doesn't want the truth to get in the way of his butt hurt bullyself.
This is the sort of thing I was afraid would happen with the free DVs and more so with people being encouraged to DV regularly. It empowers this sort of bully behaviour.
I think downvotes are a really good idea on paper, when used to protect from spam and abuse....but when they get to be 'free' and used like this...It does nothing to benefit this blockchain.
In fact, like @whatsup mentioned above, actually turns companies away from Steem and investment. It'll be tough for me to leave this place and have no intention to. But I can see how businesses would just want nothing to do with it.
It's silly and not needed at all.
Appreciate your post. This has to be addressed.
You should remember that there are hundreds, maybe thousands of accounts with higher stake than mine. When they decide that vote buying aka sponsoring is good for blockchain then they will destroy my account with few clicks
don't mistake them not bothering to attack you as them agreeing with your twisted and ill-informed vendetta ... I've talked to several of the larger stakeholders.. there is only one of them who agreed you have a point. The others see value in the SBI program for contributing to retaining active members. Something you are trying to destroy.
It's much easier to keep an active member than get a new one established. You are contributing to driving people away.
One can only assume that your penis is so small and has been rejected and laughed at so much that you now take your sexual frustration out on SBI. Go and get a magnifying glass, tweezers and pepper and try give your penis some relief it might make you feel better about life and everything in general.
You nameless and faceless reject of society, woman, men and the gay community actually most animals would reject you even the rats.
What’s the pepper for? 😂🤷🏾♂️
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How exactly would that work? Would you lose your SP? Your ability to downvote others? How would they "destroy" your account?
I'm asking from experience. I was attacked by someone with a much higher stake than me not once, but now three times. Did you three manage to destroy my account already?
I'd guess not.
And another thing. If they are on your side, wouldn't you think they'd be cheering you on and joining your crusade?
you know it's great that you are trying to push back on the bullying behaviour BUT do you realize that your spam comments on people's posts is not gaining you support?
I already reported him to @steemcleaners but they didn't take any action
Good to know that there are enough reporters here, esp for reporting to the system of some cleaners, which takes 0,33 for every mass-standard-comment.
https://steemit.com/@steemcleaners/comments
Good job, you are a real crusader for the right point of view, only some say just a "clown".
@mmmmkkkk311, At first, I delegated to the above cause but, with all of this relentless spamming, I've undelegated to the cause. We are working together!!! haha
I support you if you were to go on the crusade of getting rid of spammers, plagiarizers, and, in general, extremely horrible content which was posted only to make a quick coin.
What is holding you back from gong after those types of accounts?
Nah, I don't care for your spam. Please sod off. Let us adults deal with this.
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Repeating here - vote buying. Bidbots are bad, SBI is good (becase we have shares) lol
Man, you don't know me but I was NEVER against bidbots...I used them all the time for advertising purposes and it sucks that they have been looked at as the evil empire here on Steem. I think it was silly the witch hunt that happened....
But alas, new steem and all....
Yeah, I sponsor my community for engaging with me. Like you mentioned to me on your blog, you arent punishing the people that are receiving the units, just the purchasers of it.
I'll gladly take the heat instead of the people I'm introducing to Steem through my businesses.
And like I mentioned, I think you can find much more productive uses for that nice chunk of Steem Power you have...Bigger issues on the blockchain than SBI, because SBI encourages engagement and activity here on the blockchain.
But not just them, that's the point you're missing. Many new Steemians that need support have them and it encourages them to keep them going. Common @mmmmkkk311 I'm sure you can do way more interesting things than this.
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BEERfrom @definethedollar for you. Enjoy it!MK is not a bully, he is just too lazy to find real abuse. Since the MK account has a decent amount of SP he is a nuisance.
Most people are not abusing SBI. Also, Joseph addressed some issues with SBI that were enabling people to abuse it (they were upvoting all SBI posts and getting max upvotes).
Now SBI seems to be working well and I notice a lot less problems with abuse there.
I think downvotes should remain free. They are necessary. Maybe they should cost 10x or 100x the RC, though.
by definition when someone is using a larger stake to be 'a nuisance' through attacking people with downvotes for taking part in a program that works to retain users.. he's being a bully .. and I don't soft peddle the word
When he refuses to even learn what the program does and how it works.. or maybe lacks the intellectual capacity to do so ... he's being a bully.
Bullies often exhibit laziness in addition to cowardice.
Those are your own words.. So you're guilty of the exact same thing you accuse mk of, just from the other side of the fence.. That's kind of amusing that you're white knighting for something you admit you also don't understand..
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I have asked enough questions and he's been patient enough answering me to understand what I need to know. Most of my questions have been informed by the complaints by the likes of this bully. People raise concerns and I ask questions. You should try it sometimes instead of being the dick you prefer to be.
Lol, you just cannot handle any heat whatsoever.. How am I being a dick by pointing out that you said you don't get the economics of it, but the guy u don't like also doesn't get it because maybe he lacks the mental fortitude?
Also who the hell hired you to defend the honour of steem this time? As bitcoinskeptic has pointed out you're accomplishing nothing. I've seen you tell a few people on this post they don't know you, because you are this or that, bullshit! And now I'm a dick, basically always in your mind, simply because I don't cater to your whims and you can't handle the slightest bit of resistance..welcome to the internet! 🙃
Pretentious steemians like yourself that think their shit doesn't stink makes this place just as unattractive as any other clown doing whatever they choose to do with their stake.. So basically shut the fuck up you fucking twat keyboard warrior..
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Would thou wert clean enough to spit upon!
U can also stfu
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I don't doubt he is being a nuisance and it is bad for user retention, but that doesn't make him a bully.
You are assuming he doesn't understand how SBI works. My guess is he understands it very well, and you may just have a different understanding of sbi or more likely disagreement about downvoting.
You are saying he lacks intellectual capacity, he is lazy and a coward...that isn't anyway to reach an understanding or agreement.
I bet you will justify this as standing up to a bully, rather than confront SBI, vote trading and vote subscriptions which are the real issues.
Getting downvoted sucks. But SBI is hardly proof-of-brain. Reward disagreement is a legitimate cause for downvoting someone. You don't own the rewards until post payout.
To be clear, I would also like to see him stop, but there is an obvious need for a discussion here. To dismiss it as bullying and attack him without addressing the root cause is also lazy.
I have spent considerable time on more than one occasion discussing with Joseph the so called issues and concerns that have been raised and are more than satisfied with his explanations. If that is being lazy... then so be it.
I fully expected his downvotes and had already received some. Calling him out for the bully he is being had more to do with what I'm hearing from community members and what his bully tactics are doing to their motivation on the platform than about him downvoting me.
You want to defend his bullying ... have at it ... I find birds of a feather often flock together.
I do not think you are being lazy discussing the issue with Joseph. I think you are lazy by simply dismissing MK as a dumb bully.
Let me be clear, I do not like what he is doing. I don't even think he likes what he is doing. I also do not want to just accept it. I just think we are risking his continued misbehaviour by classifying this as bullying.
You cannot bully 50% of the blockchain and that seems to be what he is targeting. He is being an asshole. We need to figure out why and what it will take to appease him. Giving up won't work whether you think he is a bully or not.
I hear no solutions here, I just hear bitching and whining. What are you going to do? Try to convince Steem to remove free downvotes or something? Try to convince MK to behave by calling him a stupid and mean idiot? It won't work.
I've never arbitrarily downvoted anyone. I don't care if people use SBI. I use SBI. I've also talked to Joseph about SBI. I just disagree with how you are handling this. I know you are frustrated and upset. But he is probably keenly aware he has most of the blockchain hating him. Fueling that isn't going to de-escalate this issue. It's just signalling to him that his actions are having the desired effect.
You know very little about me and prove that point when you make the mistake of thinking I'm 'frustrated and upset'. Unlike yourself, I don't often weigh in on what is going on on the platform. Not in a post.
Before I reach the point of doing a post, I've had plenty of conversations and have combed through plenty of posts on the topic. I've heard input from a lot of different viewpoints, have asked a lot of questions and have picked up a sense of the impact the topic is having.
He is a bully and proves the point every time he has refused to engage with and/or work with people who could work toward a solution in a civilized manner. He resorts to the caveman lets just swing the club and not care who he hits in the process.
When enough people stand up to bullies so they know their bad behaviour will not be rewarded with compliance, one of two things happens. They either climb off their bully pulpit and actually attempt to engage in a civil manner or they wander off in search of new targets.
Some bullies flail at people because they lack the ability to try more civil methods to solve a problem and some just love to be bullies. The question with this clown is which is he.
Thank the heavens you're here
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I'm sorry for assuming you were bothered by it. I actually don't know you so well. Most of your posts do see great though and I know quality and dedication when I see it.
I know many people who are bothered by this guy aren't just profit-seekers who see the downvotes purely as a cut into their earnings. Most of the people complaining probably are genuinely hurt and insulted. However, I still think people should take downvoting a lot less personal.
I just choose to completely ignore it and consider it a cost of trying to seek rewards from posting.
Maybe standing up to him will work and I hope it does. But I still don't think of this as bullying. I think there are other deeper issues involved.
A consensus has developed regarding what is the right and what is the wrong behaviour on Steem. His behaviour is clearly wrong according to that consensus.
Without a centralized authority, maintaining balance will never be easy. There are some deep rifts on Steem. Some people want full out vote-buying to come back. Others don't like this grey area.
If I had to guess. He is the clown who won't find a new target (his net is already so wide). He wants free downvotes gone and perhaps vote-buying to come back (you mentioned he owned a bot).
Spoken like a true shitbird
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Thanks @shadowspub for saying all of this. I cannot stand a bully. And yes for those that are thinking he is more of a nuisance than a bully, I think you need to read what the definition of a bully is. Since he is doing this from a place of spite and forcibly trying to bend others to his thinking that is what a bully is. Are we supposed to throw temper tantrums and hurt others every time something doesn't go our way? I guess that's becoming the norm. Doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.
This is proof SBI is doing something right IMO. To become a target of someone's jealousy. To take his ire out on someone like me. Really? you must be desperate. Oh wait, because I am a judge for @pifc and I generally give out 1 SBI each week I am hurting things? No I am investing in others.
Why don't you use your powers for something more useful? Rather than being a dick? Come up with something better than SBI. You aren't attacking any of the other support programs that are similar where you pay in or delegate for an upvote. SBI is just the most successful.
This actually making the ideas in my head turn to work even harder to build others up while putting the bully out of business.
I was going to respond to the person who said they don't know who is behind mmkk... in their comments feed but I missed it in there somewhere. So...
As was delivered to me within my post "Steem N' Roses" regarding this very issue,
https://steempeak.com/sbi/@slobberchops/q2ccup - @mariuszkarowski is the mind behind the @mmmmkkkk311 account, he's not very receptive though you can always try.
I hope this helps. 8-)
The inherent problem with auto-upvotes and auto-downvotes are the same. One leads to upvotes on posts that don't deserve it and the other leads to downvotes on posts that don't deserve it. Instead of solving a problem @mmmmkkkk311 has just created another. So, unless he starts manually downvoting shitposts only(which few people would have a problem with), he'll just be another hypocrite.
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