"Let's be polite and try to find the truth without forcing each other into opposing camps and firing shots. We don't have to be enemies. We all want truth."
I'd say the stakes are much higher than your post seems to indicate. And it is patently absurd to say that "We all want the truth" when it is beyond any possible credulity to assume that the perpetrators "want the truth". There presumably have been, and will continue to be, enormous extraordinarily well funded efforts to promote obfuscation.
All you have to do is look at world trade center 7 collapse, first reinforced steel and concrete skyscraper to fall straight down symmetrically into its own footprint due to fire in human history. Then take a look at newton's three laws of motion, realize an external force must have acted upon it to bring 100,000's tons of reinforced steel and concrete straight down symmetrically into its own footprint through the path of greatest resistance, and then use critical thinking capabilities to see that either the NIST(National Institute of Standards and Technology) report was a lie or Newton's three laws of motion need to be redefined.
I can't really put it more clearly than you did. Steem beam can't fall onto themselves. Steem beam would also be the portion of the 3 WTC to necessitate the most heat to lose their resistance and at the speed they felt onto themselves, it would have mean almost instantaneous liquefaction.
I'm cutting corners here but hopefully this can help people reading this to look into the subject.
I thought it was obvious that by "we" I meant us little people. Not the perpetrators. Thanks for your comment since it gave me a chance to clarify something that I didn't realize was unclear.
I also love you comment @onceuponatime.
@sethlinson I was wondering how many hours have you investigate what has happened on 911? I've investigate for more than hundreds of hours maybe in the thousands. If you are willing to read or watch a couple of lectures you might realize there is a lot of proofs the 3 WTC were controlled demolition.
If someone is telling me I don't believe the towers were controlled demolition and have only read 1-2 hours on the subject than I don't consider this belief to we worth as much as someone who read many hundreds of hours. Also you are saying you don't believe, now a whole lot of people say they know those towers were controlled demolition. These are engineers and scientists of all sorts with very high credential and by respect to their intelligence we should hear them and investigate what they are saying and why. It would also make sense to prove them wrong if they are. It's not just some event with no consequences.
Let me know if you're interested in investigating this event by respect to the families and brilliant scientists and everyone really not just the ones saying there are proofs of controlled demolition.
These are good documentaries and lectures about the event. I'm still learning after reading for hundreds of hours so nobody shoud think they will become an expert after a couple of hours.
THE ANATOMY OF A GREAT DECEPTION - How 9-11 Woke Me Up - David Hooper Film
9-11 debunking NIST A New Standard for Deception - Kevin Ryan (Lecture)
These are 2 very different type of video. If you watch any f them let us know how you feel about them.
I haven't devoted my life to this investigation or anything like that. Like I said, I'm no expert. I haven't done nearly as much research as you. I'll try to watch those videos you recommended.
I love your genuineness. That's the feeling I got from your article and comment. Sorry if I might have come up a bit authoritarian.
The first documentary is a easier watch then the second one. Also both authors made their documentary/lecture available for free on Youtube.
The second one, the lecture goes into more depth about the demolition. The lecture is a scientist. I don't remember is specialization.
I feel like everyone should at least watch the first documentary. A lot of the families of the victims are behind 2-3 documentaries exposing the facts proving the towers were control demolition.
This is a bare minimum we can do for those family members who have gone to every hearing about 911 yet feel like their questions we're answered or are out rightly saying we've been lied to about what brought down the towers.
how do they compare in thoroughness and quality to 'Loose Change 9/11 an American Coup' ?
Personally I find the "jet fuel can't melt steel" argument to be the weakest and least relevant yet it seems to be touted as the poster child of 911 conspiracy theory.
LooseChange is not in my top 15 best documentaries about 911. There is at the very least 20 hours of video documentary I'd recommend before watching Loosechange.
In fact Loosechange isn't even in my list of top documentaries which is more than 50 hours of video on 911. I've seen many more.
Thanks for the inquiry. I'm really glad to see your comment.
I'll most probably provide my full list at some point.
Part of any well funded obfuscation is to hire "little people" to spread red herrings and/or more nefarious lies. I have seen estimates that one "agent" can control 100 sock puppet accounts arguing with each other and spreading FUD on investigative sites. I think that that is credible.
This is probably true. But my main point in making that statement was that we all would do well to be a little bit more gentle. Speak the truth in love. If the truth is this important, everyone should realize that they won't gain any new followers by insulting them.
It's a tough call. Do we chance people causeing further harm to themselves and others through their somnambulance? or do we risk enmity by attempting to violently shake them awake?
@onceuponatime
I'll grant you that sometimes the truth needs a firm hand. Maybe even a forceful hand. But I don't think the mudslinging I see in many of these "debates" has much to do with people trying to wake others up. I only see people trying to assert their dominance by insulting their opponent.
You'll probably disagree with me on this point: but I don't think 9/11 truth is the most important battle to be had. It doesn't make too much of a difference to me whether it was the fault of this government, that secret elite group, those people, or that faction. Whether or not they're responsible for 9/11, they're all evil.
I think a more important battle than deciding which evil group did what is helping to see that all governments and authorities are inherently immoral. All they do is murder and steal and convince people that they are necessary so that they can murder and steal more. They constantly amass more and more power for themselves.
But understand, I'm not trying to criticize anyone who fights what I see as smaller battles. These smaller battles can be very influential in leading people to bigger truths. This is just one battle that I'm not going to be fighting... but I am interested in learning.