 | Lately I've spent number of hours trying to learn as much as possible about this very sensitive topic: STEEMIT BOTS. |
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INTRODUCTION
My goal was to find out if bots are indeed:
Profitable
How can we use them to maximize our benefits
Mostly I wanted to know what is the steemit's community approach towards bots in general
Some of you may already know @yabapmatt as he is behind very well know site (steembottracker.com). He clearly is very positive and encouraging towards using bots as one of very few ways for beginners (so called minnows) to get some traffic into their blog.
"I am a big proponent and user of the various paid voting bots and services on the Steem platform. I think they provide a great service to minnows and new users by allowing us to get our posts out there and seen by more people and build our following."
https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@yabapmatt/introducing-the-steem-upvote-bot-tracker
From my personal experience it's pretty much not possible ever to hit a trending page without using bots. Most population of steemit users seem to be accepting the fact that bot's are a part of this platform and they are here to stay. But there are also many of those who are highly against bots usage and it's best to stay out of their radar.
@bloodviolet created a very informative post trying to answer one very simple question: "Voting bots - Good or Bad?"
https://steemit.com/steemit/@bloodviolet/voting-bots-good-or-bad
Conclusion is very strong:
"every big account used a bot at one point in time, especially in the beginning, and a decent percentage of accounts, even those with more then 100,000 followers, still use bots to increase their likes and comments. "
The truth is that amount of users using bots are only increasing. Which brings me to another big question:
ARE USING BOTS EVEN PROFITABLE?
Currently with very low price of SBD and STEEM using bots seem to be very unprofitable. At least that's my experience.
And what is the value of SBD? Will it increase? Let's say that SBD will be worth 10usd? @gmichelbkk has been trying to answer similar question some time ago.
He wrote once:
"Now that 1 SBD is valued at $10.82, would you like to know if using Steem upvote bots is still profitable? "
It may be worth checking out:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@gmichelbkk/is-it-still-profitable-to-bid-for-steem-upvote-bots
I would also like you to check out @earthnation, who created lately very valuable post: "The Best and Most Profitable Bots on Steemit. 1/18/2018":
https://steemit.com/steem/@earthnation/the-best-and-most-profitable-bots-on-steemit-1-18-2018
In my honest opinion, it's already very hard to make any profit on using bots. The demand is quite high and supply isn't that huge. We all need to learn to post during peak hours but to use bots outside those peak hours? Sunday from my experience is always the best as amount of other bidders isn't as high as any other day.
I can hardly imagine how much harder things might get for bot users once the price of Bitcoin will increase and the value of SBD will also be much higher.
WHAT'S MY PERSONAL VIEW ON BOTS?
I found it really hard to profit alone on the usage of bots. With the current low value of STEEM and SBD it's hard to break even. It's hardly worth the time that will be wasted. But we should not focus on earning rewards for ourselfs!
Today i would like everyone to change their point of view for a moment. Stop and look around. You will realize quickly that it is important to help your curators grow. There are many people out there who spent hours building engagement with others and receiving curation rewards. And they will very often be focusing on upvoting accounts with solid reward pool.
To put it simple: If you want people to auto-vote you, then you need to make sure that your rewards will be worth it. Use bots mostly to support your followers. And they will become very "loyal".
 | How to do that? It's pretty simple:  Self-vote and use bots only 1 day after you publish your post. Give curators chance to upvote your post and just then use all possible resources to pump your paycheck. This way you will benefit your curators the most. |
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After all we're all "in it together". It's hard to become succesful on steemit as an individual. We all need to build and support community around us if we want to achieve any goals at all.
CONCLUSIONS
I quickly realized that Steemit is allowing me to target my audience very efficiently which allows me to get to know right people. But at the same time, the rewards system for being a curator is a joke. We end up looking for accounts like "haejin" to auto-vote them.
It's very tempting to spend enough money on bots to boost your post until it will reach the trending page. I did it once and I got maybe 30-50 new followers, but almost no one new commented my post. So was it worth it?
The answer is: not really. Mostly because I attracted the attention of some whale who downvoted me right away. I spoke to him later on and it turned out that there is strong community of whales playing a "steemit police" who tend to downvote trening posts if they noticed that bots were used to boost an article. Hell, I will stay away from trending page for as long as possible. Now I know it's not worth to get their attention.
It is very important for you guys to remember that lesson. Avoid trending page if you want to stay out of "steem-whales-police" radar.
Why I care about your opinion?
To tell you the truth, I dont care much about what other "whales" think. I know that I will never be able to please everyone. There will be always be someone out there who disagrees with me.
But at the same time I care about those who engage with my posts. I want to know what my followers think. At the end of the day, I worked very hard to build a solid follower base of people sharing similar interests and I would love to know what your view on bots are. Do you agree with my approach towards them? Please let me know.
In addition;
Let me quote 2 of my steemit collegues:
"I believe that in order to have a certain success on steemit you have two main strategies: Either you use bid-bots like a madman or you really bring people together and interact." - @achim03
"Is a big whale vote on a shitty post just as bad as a vote bot vote on a shitty post. If I don't have a whale friend and I make nice posts and want the world to see it... is a vote bot a bad thing? Is the vote bot the problem or the greed? " - @allcapsonezero
I hope to hear your thoughts, mostly about the part of "what's my view on bots?". It really matters to me to know what is your opinion on that subject. Subject that clearly divided STEEMIT like nothing else did.
Cheers
Piotr
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@booster thank you. appreciate your support guys.
And im glad to see that you're trying also to do something good for this platform.
keep it up :)
Wow. what an impressive reply. thank you for your time @hs518055
I just dont know how is it related to current topic
absolutely
Hi crypto.piotr,
First of all I like to thank you for sending me your post link together with your transfer of 0.001 SBD
To my account.
I have no problem with Steemit in the way they have set up their system.
As a newbie I have nothing to say if people come to vote on my work or not, that is an issue for them not me.
Also I like to add that I don’t need to receive any money for my comments, I do it for nothing.
As you seen from my Steem Power I have already put in a few dollars into increasing my voting power.
I will continue to buy more Steemit $ in the months and years that follows.
I will use my power to help those people who are starting out, including those of my subscribers.
My greatest issue is of saving my work that I have done on YouTube.
Because my channels there are been attack by people and people using sockpuppet accounts.
I was going to place all of my work here in Dtube but I don’t believe the good people in Dtube are yet ready for it, and nor should they be.
Hi @cosmophobia
Im very grateful for your rich reply. appreciate your time and effort.
I noticed you travel a lot. Amazing photos.
What's your channel? Hope I can have a look :)
What does it mean? Please tell me. im dying to know and understand how your youtube channel could get attacked.
Thx for sharing
I will need to get back on you on this one as I need to find the links to the sites belonging to my critics.
including videos that I have done throughout so many years.
I probable have everything ready for you by this time next week.
In the meantime I like to thank you in seen my posting and in voting for them.
I hope that in the days and years coming we will be good friends.
Kind Regards.
hi @cosmophobia
please dont bother yourself so much. perhaps you could just shortly describe what had happend and how did your youtube channel got attacked.
keep in touch
I don't understand why you give away $20 just like that. Perhaps you can also donate to every person here that has posted a comment? So far you have received 6 votes resulting in 9$ on your comment.
Hi @cosmophobia
i must admit that i feel lucky. it's the first time I got rewarded. personally i cannot complain. i've spent 2 hours building this post (im not native english speaker so it always takes much longer) and i appreciate that little support
dont be angry at santa :)
Thank you crypto.piotr, my first language is not english either.
I am not angry either just a little confuse.
Thank you very much for your support.
Kind regards to you and to everyone here.
where you come from if you dont mind me asking?
I agree with that @cosmophobia but not everybody should get an upvote only quality content as I don't think people should be rewarded for "great post" type comments.
It's also in your interest @crypto.piotr as you will receive a curation reward also ;)
I see your logic and I will take your advice onboard.
it's me again @safetony
Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)
In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)
Obviously followed! :)
Hi @safetony
thanks for sharing your thoughts. the thing is that i believe that I produce quality content and im engaging with people (2-3h a day reading posts of those who engage back, supporting, upvoting and commenting).
so i believe i deserve that little support from @booster :)
cheers.
It's amazing to see projects like yours, fighting for a cleaner Steemit.
Hi @crypto.piotr
The best way to get followers and organic upvotes is (i) to make relationships here, comment on the posts of others, and you will see your comments are getting upvotes, and (ii) join some communities. As I told you before, I am in 2 communities, working as an active Steemian there, helping newbies to learn and give them tips, and in reward, I am getting upvotes on my posts from both those communities. These tw communities are: (i) steemrepair, (ii) greetersguild.
You can check their Steemit profiles and get in touch on discord.
I don't prefer to use bots, especially those on steembottracker.com
The only bot that I use sometimes is 'smartmarket'.
hi @monajam
I agree with all your points. But this post is about bots and i would rather like to know what is your opinion on that issue? What's your view? Are you against when others are using them?
Yours
Piotr
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Bots are legitimate business on STEEM. If you use bots to earn something, ROI is low. I am using bots just to get better visibility for my articles and they are great for this purpose.
Thank you for your reply.
Did you ever get downvoted by anyone for that reason? Im seriously curious.
Yours
Piotr
The only time I have been downvoted for using a bot was when it was an "unapproved" bot that upvotes posts older than 3.5 days old. For whatever reason grumpycat was going around downvoting people who had used such services.
Thank you for your kind reply and sharing your experience. i appreciate. thx
I got downvoted twice for using bots and I was told that my content was not good enough to upvote it into trending page.
grumpycat is great example of 'steemit police' :/
Es un tema interesante mi opinión es que benefician a muy pocos y sobre todo a los más expertos que son los que menos los necesitan debieran de a ver más apoyo a los más nuevos, inexpertos y con menos recursos de la mayor forma posible hasta llevarlos a un nivel de autosostenibilidad.
It is an interesting topic my opinion is that they benefit very few and especially the most experts who are the ones who need them the least. They should see more support for the newest, inexperienced and with less resources as much as possible until they reach a level of self-sustainability.
thank you for your input.
cheers, Piotr
Your name has me laughing
No. Why would downvote somebody for using bots? This is free market and you can do whatever you want. I always only do Upvote if I like somebody's article or comment. I would downvote only if somebody is offensive...
I got downvoted twice for using bots and I was told that my content was not good enough to upvote it into trending page.
It's not only free market. It's wild world here and those who have loads of SP can shape this place to their own desires.
Im sure you've heard about flag wars. Flagging is using as a weapon on steemit. Unfortunatelly.
ps.
Would you mind sending me short email to [email protected]? I would lovef to be able to keep in touch and support each other on Steemit.
I wish there would be more advanced notification system developed by steemit.
No pressure of course :)
Cheers, Piotr
Some bot owners have their rules for users and maybe your post wasn't by their rules.
You can use busy.org or eSteem. They have many things better than Steemit.
Ive been thinking about trying busy.org, minds.com and medium.com
have you tried any of those?
ps.
you're very responsive which is absolutely great and steemit community surely will benefit by having you here.
if you would ever like to keep in touch and support each other closer, then drop me a message [email protected]. This will allow us to communicate easier.
No pressure of course,
Cheers, Piotr
No. Some my friends are using it and they like it but I am Steemit guy :-)
Congratulations @crypto.piotr for authoring such a popular post! It seems I'm late to the party but I'll give my 2 cents on this topic as I'm very interested in this as well.
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I personally feel bidbots are destroying the platform and hurting the initial intent of the platform, to help rank authors in terms or quality and reward those authors who consistently author good posts.
However, many people including myself still use knowing the harmful effects they have. You may call it greed, but I just want my work to be seen. Sometimes, when you put so much effort into a post and see 2 comments from bots and under a dollar payout, it's really disheartening. When I used bidbots, I may not earn money but at least I get some comments sometimes and discussions going, that's quite important to me! However, for now I'm focusing on exams so I have limited time to comment.
A solution to this may be having a limit on hot and trending pages for authors. For example, only one article per author for every 50 articles on the trending page. So, if someone has an article that should be number 3, number 7 and number 12 on trending, the article at number 3 will stay at number 3 but the article at number 7 will be pushed to 51 and the article at number 12 will be pushed to number 101. This should decentivise authors from spamming trending and hot pages with bid bots and help give more authors a chance to be in the top!
(Upvote own comment for visibility)
Wow. what an impressive reply. thank you for your time
im glad you decided to share your thoughts with me and i even noticed that you linked to my post in your new article. what an amazing support.
we're not on the same page when it come to bots and I totally respect your different view. I just dont know how anyone who isnt a whale could ever be "seen" if bots would not exist.
upvoted too. To show my gratitude :)
Bots could be essentially utilized to promote development on the Steemit network if used properly and for the right purpose.
Its alarming and really bad the way some people abuse Bots and make them look as if they are worthless and a nuisance to the Steemit network.
I strongly believe that if Bots are used properly, they could be a very essential tool to its users and generally to this blockchain.
Nice post @crypto.piotr
Thank you for your valuable comment.
I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.
I will do my best to support you on steemit (as i do support those who are responsive)
Cheers,
Piotr
It seems like it is more about who is using the bots and what the bots are being used for that are the issues.
I think more users should be able to use bots for more purposes without worrying about all of there posts being attacked with down-vote spam.
Completly agree with you.
thx for taking the time to share your opinion with me
i just checked your profile and i noticed that we share some interests. cool. will follow you closely :)
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@crypto.piotr Great analysis and i completely agree with you.
Just to mention my opinion on bots, have you tried seeing this from a different angle? I am of course, using bots may not be profitable nowadays. but considering the fact, they also boost your content visibility and make your post reach more and more people.
Love to have a discussion with you on this topic. Also, I keep on forgetting to invite you on discord: https://discord.me/SteemBulls We made a community for cumulative growth and try to encourage newbies and help them get some recognition.
thx @bunnychum for your comment. im glad to know we're on the same page.
I think i've tried to see bots from every possible angle. I spent quite sometime researching about it and trying to understand all possible opinions.
unfortunatelly Im not using discord. those real-time apps are stealing to much time. which i really dont have much (replying everyone in this topic = 5h at least :)
take care
I use bots to hopefully increase my followers and attract new steemians to engage with. It has been me hunting all the time and i hope by using bots that i am the one hunted instead. I do not focus on big earnings anymore . I gave up on that since the beginning lol! I want to be in this platform where i can have an outlet and share my thoughts and ideas and the pay is just the bonus.
Well put- I have always said that if you come to Steemit looking for money you will be sorely disappointed. The best way to approach this platform is to use it as a creative outlet as you mentioned.
Steemit for me is a place where I can connect to people and find ideas I wouldn't otherwise be able to find. Additionally it creates a fantastic social environment to interact over such ideas. There are some seriously talented and smart people using this site and it amazes me every day.
Oh the talents!
When i thought it cannot get better this in comes another that tops what I just saw. I am still reeling from the skill and beauty of what I saw and yet I come across a superior work.
I like the collaborations of people and communities in making this platform better.
Thanks for your comment @hotsauceislethal
Right on the dot! Absolutely agree with you.
Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)
In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)
Obviously followed! :)
you're very responsive @hotsauceislethal
thx for taking the time to write your comments. and Im glad to see that we're on the same page
I will do my best to follow you and support you here on steemit
thank you @leeart for your kind reply. Do you want to be hunted? By who? i hope not some whales that are against bots :) ?
I love your reasons to be here on steemit.
ps.
I would love to stay in touch with you a little bit closer as I value your knowledge and your input. And we could support each other on Steemit.
I wish there would be more advanced notification system developed by steemit.
Plus you're very responsive which is absolutely great and steemit community surely will benefit by having you here.
Perhaps you could send me short email to [email protected]
No pressure of course,
Cheers, Piotr
I hope not by whales who are against bots lol! I hope by those who can really connect to my posts. Photography is what I mostly post anyway so I am not expecting much.
I try to be as interactive as I can here in steemit but that is when I do have the time to do so lol!
Do you use Ginabot or steemworld.org? I use both to get back to those i interact to./
wow. you're indeed very responsive. i hope you will get in touch with me via email so we could support each other closer :)
i never tried ginabot. But i was told that it's amazing.
steemworld is of course a MusT :D
thx
Well steemworld alone is fine, too.
Thank you for your valuable comment @leeart
I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.
I will do my best to support you on steemit (as you're so very responsive)
Cheers,
Piotr
I try my best. Thanks for your support as well. Cheers!
You could see bots as a marketing thing, even when they are not profitable in the short run. More people will see your articles. And so more will start following you. Also, if bots are no longer profitable, that might be a good thing in the long run. Some people don't like bots, so if they don't bring in profits, they might become a fringe thing.
I have used bots before, and to be honest I do not know much about them beyond the superficial. It is often enough, however, to make me realize that it very seldom profitable. What they do is that they make your work more visible so users will of course jump on the band-wagon and upvote you. This strategy has worked for me a handful of times.
My issue with bots, however, is not only of profitability but of quality. As people are loath to be honest on this platform, I will be a lone wolf and say that there is a lot of garbage on steemit. Call me sour grapes but I find it troubling that the merit of many pieces on this platform is measured by what he/she can buy as opposed to the quality of his/her content.
Because of this many wonderful posts go unnoticed, even within their section. With the exception of @berniesanders and company, few are willing to call these things out. Pertaining to the whales, they have the opportunity to either call out these individuals, or merely refrain from voting for them. Unfortunately, we find that some are of participants in this.
My question therefore is; going forward, what will this mean for content on the platform? To be fair many groups are addressing this; in the sense that they are seeking out and upvoting great content. To be fair, I have benefited from this. But as is usually the case, they are in the minority.
That's my two cents. I hope I answered the question.
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I am with the idea to use paid promotion & services. My 3 days old contest here https://steemit.com/contest/@ivrmakers/spot-the-idiot-contest-3-win-0-05-sbd didn't land a single upvote or comment yet..
Im sorry to hear that your contest didnt bring much attention
i will check it out later on
thx for your comment
Bot bot bot
They are cool at a certain point in time on the blockchain and sometimes you definitely will loose to them
1, they get higher percentage of the curation reward
2, When the value of steem is fluctuating you would loose both the money used for bid and payout
3, If you use bot for the aim more payout you might be disappointed... When I used it the I started with the aim of good payout but I saw it not a good aim so I saw another thing I could gain from the bot which is increasing of my reputation... Reputation makes people trust your work that is why the newbies battle with zeros unless they have exceptional writing skills.. Thanks to @donkeypong for the @curie idea
When I joined @steemstem I was made not to like bots anymore (steemstem said if you can pay 50$ for bid vote it means you don't need them and if they steemstem votes you it means your work is worth it but if you use bid vote it does not mean you worth it) now everyone wants to be on the trending page and sometimes you want to bid with 4sbd for a dolphin is coming with 100sbd.... You know what that means because it's a bid.. So I stayed off bot
Conclusively bot is not a bad idea but what is your aim for using them... More money? Not good enough have a rethink
hi buddy, thx for your comment and constant support! :)
good point about reputation.
My aim is to make sure that all curators will benefit and will be happy to upvote me in the future. plus naturally i want them to grow bigger since they support me :) hope it's a good enough reason :)
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Just picked some valuable points. I have noticed that using bots these days is not truely profitable. Thanks for publishing this.
thx for sharing your opinion. Appreciate your comment a lot.
Hi guys and @crypto.piotr, ... bots or no bots, the value of good, or engaging content, is still the focus of this site. If you're dedicated to any platform/site, and utilise resources available to build a following (that is a 'real' one) then I think success or interest in your content/business will come.
People scrutinise a lot the money-making aspect of Steemit, but I think it's pretty sound and development is geared towards providing a platform to build upon. Sure, you can build cases for things that are perhaps more negative than positive but your content may overcome them. Some people 'appear' to be v. successful but then fail to sustain it, or get bored of themselves.
I think bots simply level the playing field a little. It's actually similar to Youtube where people 'appear' to have tons of subscribers but actually have used sub4sub to get the first 500. People need a way to get started.
Steemit is interesting in that it's a reflection of society. It's an ecosystem, a convoluted one, where factors are intermingling: wallet power, content value, timing of when and how often you post, trending subjects, so... how much ROI will always be a tricky thing to calculate. And also... who cares? Only the people who choose to post about these things.
Have bots 'divided' steemit? No, not really. They've become a prominent feature, for those serious about their posts to gain exposure. But there are still the other ways, and options to support others, delegate, spread your votes around the ecosystem, or just manually support good posts/new users.
There is a time limit on gaining rewards for your posts. Is it 30 mins? Only if you're counting. Most people are just using the site naturally as they want, intuitively, without thinking about money, ROI etc. They want to contribute. This should be how the developers should continue to design and improve the site. The deeper tricks should only be minor tricks, which may not help you reach your destination better. But of course, startup money always helps! If everyone is using those tricks, and changing the nature of the site, then those tricks will have to be stopped. I think the community will recognise that time, when or if it comes.
Beyond that... time will tell. I mean, there are much more important things to focus on and discuss. Like, improving the usability and other options. There should be more categories for our own posts. There should be more profile features (without compromising data). There should be more wallet options for putting Steem to use, like contests, classifieds or services, location-based shops, donating to charity etc etc.
Bots are not the exciting thing about Steem or Steemit. It's the transfer of wealth which is beginning online.
What things do you find frustrating when you use Steemit? I'd like to see decentralised steem apps being integrated.
Wow. your reply blew my mind. thx buddy. i appreciate your time and effort.
I can tell that you have already your strong opinion about this topic. And reasonable one.
agree
this is indeed one of serious issiues, that should be addressed asap.
for many people this is very intensive topic :)
complete lack of communication tools between steemit users is the most frustrating.
Would you agree?
cheers,
Piotr
no probs @crypto.piotr . re: communications tools: I just signed up for steemit.chat which looks ok. also steemauto.com is interesting tool, where you can schedule posts and follow curation trails.
Thank you again @ade-greenwise for your amazing comment from the other day
Yours
Piotr
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Bots are integral part of Steem ecosystem - either you have a lot of steem power behind you or you use bots. Just a tool, not good, not bad. It's as simple as that.
Thanks your for your kind comment @pibyk and for sharing with me.
Im glad to know we're on the same page.
I recon you are from Poland? :) Pozdrawiam kolege serdecznie :)
obviously going to follow you closely :)
Yep. From Poland, at the moment even in Poland but I like to move around.
A jak byś chciał pogadać to można mnie namierzyć na https://steemit.chat/channel/polish - konto jest takie samo jak tutaj :-)
ja staram sie omijac chaty z daleka, bo odpisywanie na emaile i posty kiludziesieciu osob moze byc meczace ... chat zabralby mi caly wolny czas lol
moze napisz do mnie na [email protected] i sprobujemy utrzymac kontakt emailowy ?
ps. z jednej strony wyglada jakby Ciebie temat krypto interesowal troche, ale nie za bardzo. ciezko mi z Twoich postow wyczaic twoje zainteresowania :)
Personally, I have nothing against bot, as I use bot myself. I'm aware that there are some people here that are against using bot, and I respect their view, but to be honest it's incredibly hard to get notice in Steemit and very few are actually getting reward for their efforts. Right now, the only way to get notice is to use bots, unless you personally know some whales and dolphins that is.
In conclusion, I view bots as promotional tools, and maybe they are a necessary evil.
thx for sharing. Appreciate your comment a lot.
im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue
Great post, Piotr. Lets's face it, bots aren't the problem, but really only a shitty bandage (fix) and a necessary evil to try and survive in all the shitty algorithms of the entire steem blockchain. Bloomberg nailed Ned on poor quality on steemit in their interview of him a few weeks ago and he said little to defend the fact that there really is good content on steemit that doesn't rise to the surface organically simply because they screwed up the system from the start and it has become somewhat of a dog-eat-dog game of bot votes to gain some sort of visibility, which skews the trending page (where Bloomberg looked at to get their publicized opinion). I doubt they will ever fix it, because it's become a proverbial cat chasing it's tail cycle where many of the whale witnesses are running most of the bots.
As far as your opinion, Piotr, I agree that it is worth a try to see if that may work better than loosing money the main way bots are used. But be aware that they had stated in several places I've seen that they are manipulating the SBD price to push back down to being par with 1 USD and that in my view is to going to complicate matters all the more. So in my view, if it's broken and they haven't fixed it in at least the year this bot debate has been raging, I doubt they ever will and my time and energy is better spent on Minds.com, where visibility is much better from the start and their isn't a whale economy, which steps on the little guys.
hi @positivesynergy
again im sorry for such a delay with replying to that message. somehow i've missed it. thank you also for reminding about that comment of yours.
i like the fact that you used word 'algorithms' because it's always about it. and they will always be some people abusing it and trying just to make for a living.
myself i always wonder why people care so much about trending page. almost if it would really matters if half of it is promoted low quality junk.
dont you think? do you think that trening page should be steemit priority?
Do minds.com allow you to engage with people the way steemit does? The reason why i'm here is because it seem to be quite easy to spot valuable people from within this industry.
And personally that's my goal. To surround myself with people and opportunities. Im not sure how easy or difficult it is on busy or minds.com
Could you please share your current experience?
Cheers,
Piotr
Hi Piotr,
The trending page is important simply because that's all anyone not allowed into steemit's strict gatekeeper member system can ever see from the outside. Thus, Bloomberg's main objective seemed to nail Ned on how poor steemit quality is and Ned said so nothing to defend it, because the algorithm isn't working to bring the quality that is on steemit to the top in the trending page, because the skew the voting bots causes.
It's kind of funny, actually now that I think about it, that with me promoting Minds on steemit the last month or so, that someone tried to bring bots over to Minds to game the system there and what did Minds just do last week - they redid their algorithm to limit the reward mechanism of the upvotes to one per user account per day (meaning more networking is needed) but at the same time the overall daily rewards quadrupled. Now it's fairly easy to make $10-15/day, if you work the system actively, subscribing, liking, reminding (like resteeming), etc. Streemit has had the problem of bots for at least a year I've traced the debate back to and still hasn't been improved, even after being embarrassed like that on Bloomberg.
I'm not really sure what you mean by "allow", as engaging with people is really this whole idea of social media. On Minds in my experience there is far more engagement that Steemit, given Minds is a true social networking site, whereas Steemit really isn't at all, but is more a blog site only, which has been another of the many criticisms of steemit. Of course each has their pros and cons. Most people I know on steemit are also on Minds, and if nothing else use minds to promote their steemit posts, which actually look much better there than on steemit, quite ironically, and drive more traffic to their steemit post.
thank you for your amazing reply. I really hope I will finally find some extra time to explore minds. You definetly marketed it very well :)
You really seem lost in following up in steemit. Is it going to take you 9 or 10 days to reply to this one to?
You really seem to enjoy making me feel awful @positivesynergy
I've realized lately that every now and then your comments are unpleasant and I found them unnecessary.
Steemit is not my job, Im not full time professional writter (as you are) and yet Im still more responsive that most members here. So far you're the only person upset at me for replying with some delays. Truth is that I'm travelling workwise a lot and steemit is just a passions. That's just the way it is. So every now and then I will have some delays with commenting. No need to be upset about it.
Plus I dont know what should I reply whenever you're promoting Minds.com so heavily here on Steemit.com
I appreciate the fact that you recommended that platform once.
Yours
Piotr
@crypto.piotr
Please stop memo spamming.
@resteem.bot
Since I am a newbie in Steemit I like to ask you a question.
crypto.piotr did send me this link together with 0.001 SBD that crypto.piotr transfer to my Steem account.
Is what crypto.piotr Spamming?
This memo spam argument is like the nobidbot and anti-spam badcontent blacklist goodqualitypolice.. it's a sort of economic terrorism waged by those who want to maintain hegemony - they go out like champions, bearing flags and waging this war for all of our good -- but what you and I are saying is.. where's the spam rainstorm.. send me there I want to stand under it with a bucket and collect it.. 0.001 SBD spam give me more
of course it isn't spam. one man's spam is, well.. another mans ham. Incidentally, here in Korea a popular GIFT at Chuseok (a kind of harvest thanksgiving - is a load of CANNED SPAM - about 20 cans in a box is often given to family members as a gift) ;-)
It is a wallet and not a message system.
He can going on abuseing it for spam, but then he has to live with the flags from the Steemit community.
@resteem.bot
you and what army is steemit community? LOL - He sent me SBD to my wallet with a message in the memo ..
wait a minute, I sent you money many times too.. with a message in the memo, remember?
@trumanity
The army of "We Can Not Find Our Importent Memo In All This Spam".
Yes a payment with a memo.
Not a message with a payment.
@resteem.bot
Oh please, 'All This Spam'? I have twice as much activity in my wallet than you do. My account attracts more attention because I am producing content, engaging with more accounts, adding to this platform. So kindly stop exxagerating. See the Army of Memo's as some reading practice, look at the positive side. Maybe it will rub off on you and you will start writing one day.
LMAOOOOO
hahaha quite ironic, isnt it?
We can not see any ironic here. We don't spam and fight spammer and scammer. Even if we get some flags.
@resteem.bot
sir, I lost a lot of regard for you - i used to use your service and when another account started their own similar (well, identical) service - you attacked that person too. Please understand that every person can go about doing business his own way. If your business idea fails, don't be a @heimindanger and get nasty.. just go back to the drawing board, re examine your understanding of human behaviour and come back again. good luck
@trumanity
Some people try to abuse our name or steal content from us for their account.
Then they start start spamming or worst scamming people.
Of course we don't accept this.
Name the account where you talking about, we think is the account, that was flaged by Steamcleamers for abuse.
@resteem.bot
It's ironic, that this post is being all about bots and about how difficult it is to build presence, and im being attacked by you (pure bot) for using my very limited options to promote my content.
Im honestly running out of ideas how to build my presence on steemit since.
Ironic he or she is arguing that the wallet is for sending money only - but his service relies on us senidng him a message in the memo - a message which includes the link to the post he should resteem in exchange for th emoney we send him.. one message is not ok, as long as he doesn't get money from it. Now we all understand.
Wallet is for sending money. Memo is not for messages. Sen me 0.200 SBD and URL as MESSAGE in the MEMO
Not a URL and 0.200, my bot gets hiccup and I lose some time and money I have to actually do some work and read. Steemit is not for reading and doing real work, it's a cash cow - and for quality content ;-) I share your posts to real users thousands of real users who read your content - use my resteem service
The wallet is like the name says for sending money.
The memo is for the payment details.
Sending a payment just to send a message is spam. It's even worse to send strangers messages.
Who does not understand this, should first learn some basics about crypto.
By the way in classic business it is also illegal.
@resteem.bot
@resteem.bot
From my understanding it's allowed and publicly accpeted to send small amount of funds to anyone with a memo. Steemit is not providing their users with correct communication tools. We're not even being able to send a notice/message to private individual. Not to mention sending a message to a group of people.
I see many other users trying to boost their posts this way. Why would you be against this method of promoting yourself on steemit? It's already very hard for anyone without big funds to build a presence.
Regards
Piotr
@crypto.piotr
Wrong.
Memo spam is a growing problem on Steemit.
Some people fight for one function that allows you to flag wallet spam.
We hope it comes soon.
@resteem.bot
please tell me what other communication tools can regular users (not bots) use on steemit to be able to promote themself?
Wrong! It's no problem to me and many others. The man paid to get a message to us. He is investing in his idea.
thank you @trumanity for your support
like I mentioned before: bots are dividing steemit. ironic thing is that im being attacked by bot in topic related to bots.
cheers
Piotr
@crypto.piotr
You has been flaged for your wallet spam.
We don't care about the topic. Is it about pizza or icecream?
@resteem.bot
a flag is to be used when you disagree with reward or find something wrong illegal or otherwsie with the content. Your statement that you don't care about the topic* is an admission that you abused the flag to punish someone for doing something perfectly legal on this platform. It is your sort of action that is the real scam and abuse here. A memo can and should be used for anything. There is no rule to disallow the use of the memo for messaging. Whichever persons are behind the abuse of the flags will eventually be removed from here by sane and fair-minded people. have your day today, sir.
Great job @resteem.bot
people like you only create more tension and enemies. Flagging me and reducing reward pool is not only an open attack at me but also all curators.
Why wouldnt you flag someone bigger than me and risk being downvoted to 0? the easiest way is to release on small hard working content builders.
how does it help anyone?
@trumanity thank you for your support.
Congratulations - you know you're doing something RIGHT when you get flagged and attacked ;-) It's ironic because you speak about them and they appear to prove your point. BibBots and these flag abusers are two different breeds though. Every thug has his muscle men. It's petty and obscene quite frankly. It's a good thing to happen that the players expose themselves in a thread like yours. It's time we name names and know who is who ;-)
Cheers my friend. You can count on the support of many good people here. Never fear, because you are a good person yourself.
Im sorry for such a late reply @trumanity
Im very grateful for all your support. It's obviously sad that things went this way and I was an victim of this abuser. such a life. and life must go on :)
all the best
yours
Piotr
are you malaysian? :)
thx for your comment mate
please meeting ;)
Hi @crypto.piotr, sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this post but as you know I am a newcomer to the platform and wasn't too sure of what you were asking of me on my thoughts of the bots on STEEMIT. I have just read your complete post and am ready to comment a bit about what you asked. First I want to say thank you for the 0.001 SBD that you sent me. Honestly, I don't know a lot about these voting bots as I have not used any of them since I became a member here, I am really not sure how they work so I have not purchased any of them for my posts, however I have gotten a few requests from some of them asking me to delegate steem to them, but since I am not sure how they really work I have not done so. Maybe later on as I become more knowledgeable about things around here I might use them, but for now I am flying solo. Thank you for this post and I look forward to other useful postings from you.
He want to tell us that he send all that messages by copy and paste.
https://steemit.com/@crypto.piotr/transfers
Damm, this guy must be really fast, a hero of his computer mouse.
Oh he got a memo back:
"6 hours ago Transfer 0.001 STEEM from sgt-dan Please do not spam my wallet. I really don't appreciate it. Put the stuff out in a post. I give one warning that is it. First time shame on you, there is no second time."
@resteem.bot
Here is the orginal spam message:
"Hi, My name is Piotr and I'm not a bot. I would like to ask you to share your toughts with me about your view on bots on steemit (very hot topic, that seem to divide steemit). I created post where Im sharing my own view: https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@crypto.piotr/what-s-your-view-on-bots-promotion-tool-or-necessary-evil-let-me-share-my-personal-view (or you can check directly my last post on @CRYPTO.PIOTR). Cheers, Piotr"
Just that everybody know where we talking about.
@resteem.bot
Hi @resteem.bot
i really dont understand why people like you (with programming skills, knowing how to create your own bots) are going after regular users like me who are using available tools (sending paid mass-messages is one of them) to promote high-quality content.
People like me cannot compete with those who use bots (like you do). At the same time steemit isnt providing any communication tools so it's hardly possible to build presence here.
At least Im promoting content, that is not simple advertising and my content is engaging.
ps. I already apologized @sgt-dan. Luckily he is one of very few people who were unhappy with my message. I counted over 25 responsed in this topic from people i never knew before. So at least Im trying to promote high quality content (im simply doing my best).
I would rather appreciate some support @resteem.bot than just criticizing me. im aware that many people promote spam. But why is it necessary to put those who create quality content and promote it using legaly provided tools in the same basket?
yours,
Piotr
@crypto.piotr
Wallet spam is abuse. Stop it or the Steemit community will flag you.
Take this advice as a Steemit noob or not. Your choice.
@resteem.bot
This fine gentleman has created more content today than many of us will ever create in a month - take a look at the reactions here. What is it youare trying to prove here, except that YOU don't understand this platform?
We understand, that if spam, scam or content stealing is accepted, then Steemit will fail.
We fight for the future of Steemit.
@resteem.bot
Thanks for sharing this post. Very complete and very interesting, I really appreciate that you have quoted some interesting posts, because they are very helpful. I will tell you my experience with my little English. In the Spanish community there are very few whales and there are normally those who vote for literature and art and I have nothing of an artist, that is, the whales have never voted for me and I spend many hours doing my post, respecting formats, ideas, images, copyright, etc. but since I am focused on trading, cryptocurrencies and money, in our Hispanic community it seems that they did not value that and at the beginning I had very few commenting that I am more interested because it is evident that they read my post, instead if they only vote probably they did not read the post. Now, with the use of bots, additional that you quickly increase your sp. You pay him back as you well tell your followers with his income when voting. Additionally that puts you more entendencia. It may not be a short-term investment mechanism because the roi is low or negative in many cases because of the abuse they have given to the bots but they are definitely necessary to grow in steemit. I am very sorry for the abuse they give you because it can not be that someone who has money publishes only one photo and 10 lines and takes almost all the voting power of a bot. There should be some minimum requirements or certain logical parameters to be able to use the bots, and so avoid the abuses of people who have bad content and have money to take advantage, ultimately hurting those who make the post with effort and use the bots responsibly . Thank you very much for sending me a msj to see your post and you already have a faithful follower who with help with the Google Chrome translator will be commenting on your posts.
thx for sharing. Appreciate your comment a lot.
im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue
Just checked your profile just to realize that i dont understand much haha :) where're you from mate? which city in spain?
followed :)
Thank you for visiting me, at first I made the post in both languages, but it was a lot of effort and visits, comments and votes were very few, plus I realized that it was very easy if you use google chrome, do the translation of the post you simply do a click on the right button of the mouse and there gives you the option to translate. Maybe if I have a post too relevant, I do it in both languages but for now I do not have it in mind. As for your question, I do not live in Spain, I live in Venezuela, I understand what the confusion was. Thanks for following me even if you do not understand much LOL ...... but google chrome solves everything .. LOL .... I follow you too.
You got a 100.00% upvote from @botcoin courtesy of @crypto.piotr!
Hi (:
Well, I got here cuz "steemd.com" stated it - I dont really understand how this all workz but somehow u sent me 0.001 SBD n thats y Ive "received that notification" on steemd, I guess - seems to be some sort of advertisment/promotion or whatever.
However, regarding your post, personally Im not against bots as long as theyve a useful function - so these "voting bots" to help minnows dont seem 'bad'. Bots which prevent plagiarism r good too. I simply dont like those spammers - bots who only comment for getting upvotes etc. - n other such thingz.
U r absolutely right. I couldnt agree with u more. These whales seem pretty unfair. I just dont give a fnck what other people think bout me... Only opinions that matter r the ones of my loyal followers (concerning Steemit ;D).
Tbh, I think this is the only logical answer to this question. If Im wrong, pls let me know. (:
Lastly, u seem pretty lit bro. I like honest people. N I think u r honest lol, at least I hope.
Have a nice day!
hi
im very sorry for such a late reply @andreasgrubhofer
Somehow I've missed your comment.
Thx for sharing your view on bots.
You mind telling me what "lit" means? :)
Im not sure if Im honest. But I like to be transparent. Is it the same thing?
Yours,
Piotr
Hi!
Np bro. (;
I forgot bout it anyway haha.
U r welcome.
Lit=cool, great, awesome, nice,... need more synonyms? :D
What would u say? Is being honest n transparent the same? ;D
Dont continue reading - first answer the question yourself (if u wanna/r honest) :D
Well, thats a good question. Id say "No" cause (usually) honesty comes from oneself [u decide to be honest cause u could (live a) lie too; what not little people do, I guess - at least theyre lying pretty often]. Even when u r in court u still could lie but u probably wont. Honesty=telling the truth/"being true"/not lying
Transparency=comprehensibility/"clarity"/open... I think it doesnt necessarily matter if/mean that u r honest or not. U can be transparent on purpose (eg. maybe that others can understand u better or u wanna trick them) but so u can while not doing it on purpose too (involuntarily; eg. maybe u r a bad lier n everybody realizes/-d that, everybody but u lol).
Conclusin: When u r honest u can be transparent (most of the time u probably want that) but just cause u r transparent doesnt mean that u r/wanna be honest.
However, in your case: U probably r honest n wanna be transparent too.
If Im wrong pls tell me. (:
great discussion @andreasgrubhofer :)
I love it.
My answer was "no". Those 2 words have some similarities but they are far from having same meaning. That's how I see it anyway :)
I believe in "white" lies. If I know that being honest will cause pain then I rather lie :)
Haha, thx. I absolutely love philosophizin bout such stuff (meaning of words, finding solutions for problems,... - thats y Ive posted my opinion bout Steemit too, or bout the "situation"/problem in Israel).
Alright - I guess thats kinda an "agree". ;D
Generally, I never lie. Really, never (at least if the other person deserves it - there r enough people who just dont deserve "knowing the truth"/my honesty). Im simply honest tho sometimes it might seem a little too straight/harsh/rough cause the truth isnt always 'pleasant/comfortable". I just "hate" people who always talk n talk but dont come to the point - only beatin around the bush [cause theyre afraid of tellin the (hurtful) truth or whatever...].
My friends know when they ask me bout somethin theyll get an honest answer.
But Ive some "techniques" which help me not havin to tell the complete truth... well, eg. just dont tell the complete truth, only a part. Thats not lying. yD
I dont haha. I mean, I dont want others lying at me. I want them tbh too. Id rather know the painful truth than (live with) the (more) comfortable lie. (:
thx again @andreasgrubhofer for such an interesting conversation :)
yours
Piotr
Bots do the job to redactors. This is very much more easier for the Co-founders to run the platform. Very soon you will see how everything around us will be run from bots or robots. Not only the websites ...
Thank you for your valuable comment.
I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.
i've noticed that you didnt post anything in a while. followed anyway.
Cheers,
Piotr
Hi,very useful information you give,thanks for sharing.
hi @lavanyalakshman
I hope you are aware that your comment sound very robotic :)
Now all bots give very low income due to low sbd price i think,in before it give some reasonable income .
whats the bot name ?
thanku #bdbot
I do not really understand but for me bots can make a very important tool for users like this blockchain, because basically bots can be taken a benefit to promote development on steemit.
thank you for sharing your thoughts
I think the vote bots/buyers (for the most part) are not adding any REAL value to the steem ecosystem. In fact, I think it's actually harming the system, to what degree, I know not. High SP holders are just leasing their VP for a nice profit at the expense of no longer manually curating for quality, as well as no longer being the (proof of brain/human) deterrent to the ever growing list of spam/scam-mers who seek to profit/siphon off the system with as little work/input as possible.
The promoted tab should be fixed/incentivized for those want to promote themselves or others INSTEAD of using bots. The SBD used to promote a post is burned (sent to @null) and overall helps increase the value for everyone.
IMO, it's very similar to an aspiring "Youtuber" that WANTS to get organic views/subs./likes etc. but instead of just creating valuable content and interacting with the community, they decide instead, to pay money to an army of "bot accounts" for artificial views, likes/upvotes or comments on their videos for promotion just to have the "appearance" of a legitimate/popular channel/figure, in hopes of getting noticed by the community at large. This is probably already happening on Youtube. The difference here on Steem is that everyone here is affected by everyone else's actions due to a shared rewards pool.
In short, using bots for upvotes or (ROI ESPECIALLY) sounds like the worst idea forward if quality, originality and genuineness are our main concerns.
Thanks for your request to comment here as I'm also working on a way to discover the value of bots and resteemers on Steemit. I've come to find that social media has a lot of consistency. One factor that makes social media interesting is viral properties. Not all posts come with viral potential. However, there are sometimes forms of content that achieve success anywhere. In order to take the relationship of bot & resteemers into view I need to conduct more testing. The goal is most obviously to make as much STEEM as possible on any given post. I've found that it may be more valuable to create your own set of resteem bots and am considering the venture after I've completed my testing of the services found here on Steemit. I spent between 5-7 SBD promoting this post https://steemit.com/daddykid/@sutter/dlizm3jt. You can see the result at current with over 200 upvotes and rewards that total approximately 1.80 to date. The cost was obviously more than the return. But, it may not always be true with various forms of content. Aside from resteem bots and people there are upvote bots and people as well. There is most definitely an indicator that both in tandem may achieve best results for Steemit users. The majority of my tests have come from SBD earned while live broadcasting on DLive. I'm thankful for DLive. Because if it wasn't for DLive... I wouldn't have SBD to test the resteem bots. Minimal upvote bots were used in my testing. When considering the value of the account resteeming or upvoting it's likely that higher value accounts will reward a higher upvote value. However, it's not always true. The cost for an upvote or resteem doesn't provide a guarantee that use of the processes will provide profits to continue the venture. The @minnowbooster is likely the best way to begin when fishing for resteeming that's effectively cheap at 0.01 SBD to date. SBD value or cost may change in the future. All bots and resteemers are subject to change their values. I would like to invest approximately 50 SBD into a few posts to provide test results that can answer this question in a single post. My goal is to create a number of posts and use a number of resteem bots/people providing a singular opportunity on content from Steepshot. Comparable content like a multiple of guitar pictures would be ideal for the test subject. Offering consistency in the content. However, understand that not all people like guitar photos. I may achieve better results with content based on the crypto currency world due to the connectivity of Steemit revolving around the blockchain. Whereas, there's a higher likelihood that those searching for content are seeking references relevant to the blockchain. In essence offering comparable content with a musical instrument. I'm a musician. My marketplace is music consumers. Guitars offer the market may be attracted. The goal is to get into the feed of those that may like guitars. Using resteem bots or people independently with comparable posts would provide a law of averages that one may be able to expect when considering following count, time of resteem (most active hours of the internet to recall were 9AM EST and 9PM EST going back a few years. I suspect it's still similar from a broad based perspective.) and engagement results. The values can most obviously be calculated where as an investment of 0.05 SBD results on the picture of the guitar can offer division between earnings and cost. I find, like other social media, responsive engagements are often active engagements. Meaning, the users have to be active to engage. When users engage it's great to reply when they are active. Reward can be earned on replies, and upvotes can be placed on ones own comments increasing reward value. I've only just begun to access the potential due to DLive valued upvotes increasing my SBD. I believe that brining my music to DLive will increase the most growth for my account personally. Therefore, guitar content. I itemized my result from the resteem bots and people used with the song Thirsty. The idea of similar content would suppose that the 10 lyric videos I created for YouTube are all comparable. The bots used on the song Thirsty have provided an impressive result. The investment of 5-7 SBD returned far less than the total invested. But, the truth to the reward is the value of account placing upvotes on content. There may be cryptowhales that support content creators whom place a positive outlook on the crypto's of their interest. It's always nice to think positively about the coins you hold. There may be those that appreciate live music as well. In order to keep the live streamer going there's nothing like gift SBD in exchange for a song and dance. I believe I have discovered some potentials where indicators can be created when considering upvote bots. However, without enough SBD to test their full ability. Whereas, the upvoters and bot voters have a wallet where value can be estimated. Naturally the percentage value is time based and there's no trackers at the moment providing how much ones reward will return in SBD yet. The upvote bot values can be taken into consideration when addressing the question; "Is it valuable to invest SBD this way?" Because the potential of % based return can provide an equation that will reward posts with upvotes. In the case of the lyric video Thirsty earning upvotes was at a cost. But, any fan may be found when engaging the link which can result in iTunes purchase of the album. The consideration for the content is loaded with potentials to profit rewarding beyond the upvote value. Therefore, the desire to place the music into posts and continue prowess on Steemit may require a reserve pool is earned, a plan is made, and content is created to access the full potential of the plan. The ratios of upvote bots value to upvote % chance rewarding an account are most definitely possible to discover. However it may take sometime before discovering the best of the best. Hypothetically, if one was to address the values of accounts and follow statistical data of whale accounts. How many accounts would have to be investigated before coming to find your first upvote bot? In essence if an upvote bot API or advanced programming index was to be created a category by highest payout chance could be created with known cost of upvote value considered. I believe in resteems. Placing content in-front of the masses. The concept of content is one that considers fireworks in the next hypothetical. While in attendance of the fireworks have you ever looked at the crowd and noticed all are looking upward? It's more likely for the larger body of population to be looking in an upward direction during a firework display. Content is like that too. How often do you check your feed? You're following users. But, do you check your feed and engage? Where do you likely engage from? On steemit tabs exist Feed, New, Hot, Promoted, Trending. Whereas, the content filter can provide variation from every feed available. In essence all streaming content acting as a feed. Now, where are the people looking at the time? In consideration to efforts to oust corruption in political favor of one candidate or another imagine the lone content generator commanding the audience while watching the live stream rally. When you find a popular live stream you'll notice comments flying due to the fact that others may take interest in the page that commented. It's not always the case. Not every comment in a high volume live stream is in hopes to gain followers for the account itself. The idea of viral posts and high value content earned by way of accessing the potential of resteemers and upvoters is one that may come with a shelf. Whereas, the investment of 4 SBD in the right place may return a higher percentage value. But, investments below 7 SBD will likely impose majority cost. Which, the return consideration of the MinnowBooster may result in cheapness effectivity as the best way to build a reserve. Explore the possibility where the post Thirst would find additional SBD available and invest in upwards of 30 to 50 SBD on the post. The likelihood of larger whale accounts finding the content may be a direct effect that takes the shelf and rockets the account into a profit. However, the speculation should offer that nearly any post can invest into upvotes and resteems that provide extended reach. The promote button exists on each post. It would be nice to have a connectivity to the transaction where investing 0.001 SBD comes with a 1 engagement placement. However, there's no way to accommodate all posts in that fashion and due to lack of information resulting in transfer to @null account there's zero math to understand the value of the expense. In essence, when I hit the promote button and invest SBD there is a sense of a good karma investment otherwise a coin into the fountain wishing the corporation great luck. Knowing that the Steemit corporation is the sole benefactor and coins into the promote button haven't entirely vanished into the @null abyss. A similar style test can be done with the guitar example to indicate the potential for specific content of interest. Each type of content will perform differently in all suspect where viewers engaging in feeds have different reason. The song Thirsty. How many commented for the placement? Whereas, if @crypto.piotr, myself, and a few others were to upvote this comment it would result in a number one placement beneath the post. Which, is a nice way to think about selecting comments to vote on. Users may have commented on Thirsty sheerly for the fact that it was in the tabs where feeds are surfacing new content. There may have been a whale out there looking at it. But, the line never set the hook because the content styling didn't attract the particular whale enough to be rewarded with an upvote. If the extension of this consideration was to be fully tested to create a website where categorized bots are addressed over calculators a lot of questioning would be out of the way. However, what's the fun in the finished product at this point? It's likely that some form of developer team will realize the value of attracting larger upvote bots with ratios rewarding payouts making the investment valuable. But, the accounts upvoting may change their cost at any time. The calculators would require manual entry due to offerings listed by cost of SBD. It would be a madness that would take manual checks and balances to address cost to value potential ration. If one was to create such a calculator that spat out top upvote bots and earnings potential. The bots may get news of it and up their price for an upvote. In the earliest of running here on Steemit it's fun to address these questions and I'm hopeful to earn more SBD to have more to offer this style conversation. Consider this post as an investment of time that could have been made anywhere. When collecting my SBD I found reference to the link and it was a topic of my interest. Therefore, the post has earned engagement. You can lead a horse to the camera. But, there's no telling what equestrian content is worth unless someone provides the path for previous reference when gauging similar attempts. Best of luck with your ventures! Following and upvoting this post!
that's the longest comment ever! :) thx for sharing
did you consider using 'enter' sometimes? that would make reading your replies much easier
I'll keep it in mind. Thanks for your comment.
im glad to see that you're so very responsive.
will surely follow you closely :)
cheers,
Piotr
Thank you for a thoughtful and well-researched post on the topic of bots. This is a good article so I gave you an upvote and a resteem. Good luck in the future. Engaging people on SteemIt, as "personally" as possible, is a good way to grow your blog. Keep it up and you will do well!
hi
im very sorry for such a late reply @bi5h0p
Somehow I've missed your comment.
Thx for sharing your view on bots. And big thx for upvote and resteeming it. I appreciate.
Yours,
Piotr
I am a beginners (a minnows), but I don't know how to get some traffic into my blog by using this way. :P))
Piotr, I am a purist. For me from beginning to end, if Steemit is a content site, if there should be a bot on the site, it should be a bot to sift between good and bad content, and automatically dish out rewards according to the quality level of content from the best content down to the worst in a gliding scale. As interpretation of content could be subjective, there is a clear objective distinction between crappyand good content, that is possible.
To me it should always be about good content. As I am very new, only on Steemit for a week and a half, I have 140 followers, and did 73 posts, mostly very good comments, and got paid more for the comments than the blogs, which has been noticed here and there, but not enough.
I have seen someone writing on the same topic as myself, not the quality of content I put down, earning over $700 for the post. I have noticed, the people earning high rewards, are all using bots. I have earned a small amount, but I think I will take my chances first and continue writing good content, and build my followers.
Will I one day use a bot to promote? The temptation is lurking at my front door, I don't know.
Bots to promote content is everywhere. On FB you have to promote your pages to get seen. FB have been very good to me in the sense that I have never had to promote content on my page, because they have been promoting my excellent content for free. Thus I have built a following with very little effort, to almost 700 in less than a year for my page, not following the promotion route, only by being consistently posting once a week.
I can see these bots are a huge thing on Steemit, maybe I will be able to beat the system with bots on Steemit, I don't know, time will tell.
Thanks for your amazing and rich reply.
well. you just got yourself new, loyal and very active follower.
Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)
In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)
To tell you the truth. It isnt possible to use bots to earn 700$ and actually have some profit. It would be very costly to achieve it. So those who have such a huge paycheck are pretty much always losing some funds. But receiving more exposure. At least thats my experience so far. Making any $ on bots is super difficult. Breaking even is usually my target.
Obviously followed! :)
Thanks, I have also followed you!!
lovely! :D
Would you mind sending me short email to [email protected]? I would love to be able to keep in touch and support each other on Steemit.
I wish there would be more advanced notification system developed by steemit.
No pressure of course :)
Cheers, Piotr
hi @talking-crypto
why is your reputation down to 19? what happend? did someone downvoted you badly?
yours
Piotr
hello there!!!!
nice post, well, i think bot alone are fine all depend on the people who use them for good or for bad.
also bot there are a great help into our lives and we need to live with them.
good luck!!!!
have a great day!!!!
Thank you for your valuable comment.
I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.
Obviously followed! :)
Vote-bots are right now the best to make good earning posts. I know it's not good from the people who want to be famous. Unfortunately, after paying for promotion, paying for bots is the better way i've made and i don't know any else...
thanks for your reply and resteeming.
you're the man ! :D
My 2 cents. If you are not getting delegation or help from whales then bots or your own money will be the only way to profit....as i do both. My intro says it all....i buy my votes simple...you want in the you should upvote me before the bots get it...but being honest if you dont have the wieght then your payout will be small anyway...i keep my boosters under 10sbd as not to raise any idoits in my direction...as i think i got 2 followers who actually upvote me because within 24 hours i boost. Depending on the markets for the bots...i may even go for delegating some sp...but i will delegate to subaccounts thats auto upvote from my curtail..
Thank you for your 2 cents and sharing.
Appreciate your comment a lot.
Just checked your profile just to realize that we dont share many interest, but i will still do my best to support you on steemit as you are so responsive.
followed :)
I know NOTHING about this... newbie tech challenged girl, it's amazing I can even upload a video, so I'll put this on my homework to do list. I did join Steemfollower is that a type of Bot? Dooh, anyway thanks for the fundage and following!
thank you for your comment and sharing with me that you know nothing about this hihihi :)
all the best
This post has received a $14.20 % upvote from @siditech thanks to: @crypto.piotr.
Here's a banana!
yo digo que son un mal necesario. ellos te hacen crecer mas rapido que a la manera mortal con tu sp. no los uso pero es lo que creo.
what? :) english please
Uważa, że boty to zło konieczne. Pozwalają na szybszy przyrost Steem Power. Sam nie używa, ale tak uważa :-)
wow. dziekuje. ile Ty jezykow znasz? :D
Tak dobrze to ze trzy, ale dogaduję się w kilku innych - jestem leniem jeśli chodzi o naukę, ale jak przebywam w otoczeniu innojęzykowym to szybko łapię lokalne narzecza i zostają jakieś okruchy :-)
I say they are a necessary evil they make you grow faster than in the mortal way with your sp. He does not use them but that's what I think
It's acceptable because it's like pay for the service. And you get the traffic but it doesn't bring real loyal followers.
my point is, that most people will upvote those posts, that will probably bring them some reward in the future.
Each one of us is following loads of poeple but we can only upvote 10times a day. So we will select carefully our upvotes. And knowing that upvoting particular individual would bring some solid reward, most users will most likely choose to upvote his posts. That's just the way it is.
So I found it important to make sure that your posts bring some decent rewards. Otherwise I would risk losing some of my valuable curators.
There is very "real loyal followers". Im involved in social media marketing for over 2 years now and I've learned that most followers need to be rewarded for their time. One way or the other - authors need to find a way to reward their active followers. Otherwise they will lost most of them. That's the reality.
Thx for your comment :)
Then they can use the other way to reward the loyal followers like upvote their comments!
Or go to their page to read and comment and upvote in return.
I believe the real loyal relationship will last forever than those just to curate for rewards.
I am always up in the air on the topic. I think the use of vote bots is good in that it evens the playing field. If the playing field was not so skewed (and I think that is the real problem here) the use of bots would not be required. When in Rome... When on steem... use bots.
If you don't, it is like choosing to cut off your leg and run a marathon.
I really value your posts about bots and the fact that you're sharing results of testing those bots. Great piece of work.
Each one of us is following loads of poeple but we can only upvote 10times a day. So we will select carefully our upvotes. And knowing that upvoting particular individual would bring some solid reward, most users will most likely choose to upvote his posts. That's just the way it is.
So I found it important to make sure that your posts bring some decent rewards. Otherwise I would risk losing some of my valuable curators.
There is very "real loyal followers". Im involved in social media marketing for over 2 years now and I've learned that most followers need to be rewarded for their time. One way or the other - authors need to find a way to reward their active followers. Otherwise they will lost most of them. That's the reality.
So right now we have 3 methods of benefiting your curators:
Creating quality content is an amazing idea. But ist not enough. Curators will almost always upvote those posts, that will bring them $$$.
end of story :)
I like ^^^
That is pretty good.
It is a very subjective topic. With pros it has cons too.
I see curation has dropped big time. People with high SP have simply delegated their SP to bits and disappeared from the community earning passive income.
If everyone starts doing that then the one playing best with bots will earn the most.
That's definitely not what steemit is all about.
Thanks buddy for your amazing reply.
I agree. And im glad you shared your opinion.
Im not sure what is this place about ... sometimes ;0